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Q: How to locally sync an iPhone with OS X Mavericks? iCloud is NOT an option.

I read that OS X Mavericks will no longer allow me to use iTunes to sync my iPhone to a local system but makes iCloud mandatory? Is that correct?

 

iCloud is not a valid option for me since I have no control about my data there, I need to keep all my data (contacts, calendar...) on a system under my control and so far iTunes allowed me to do that which was one of the reasons I didn't even consider Android or Windows Phone.

OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.5)

Posted on Oct 20, 2013 8:54 AM

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Q: How to locally sync an iPhone with OS X Mavericks? iCloud is NOT an option.

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  • by StinkyOldC,

    StinkyOldC StinkyOldC Dec 1, 2013 5:56 AM in response to Csound1
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    Dec 1, 2013 5:56 AM in response to Csound1

    uh-oh....we got someone who has nothing better to do with their sunday. . bye  now!

  • by brollyjohn,

    brollyjohn brollyjohn Dec 1, 2013 8:20 AM in response to StinkyOldC
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    Dec 1, 2013 8:20 AM in response to StinkyOldC

    Congrats on having a life StinkyOldC. Well put.

     

    Hopefully Google will come in and fix the mess apple's making of the mac lately. They're doing a much better job networking them anyway.

     

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/27/google_mac_support/

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Dec 1, 2013 8:33 AM in response to brollyjohn
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    Dec 1, 2013 8:33 AM in response to brollyjohn

    Have you read that page?

     

    It refers to OSX server tools, deployment, control and encryption tools. It has zero relevance to this topic.

  • by KiltedTim,

    KiltedTim KiltedTim Dec 1, 2013 8:34 AM in response to Csound1
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    Dec 1, 2013 8:34 AM in response to Csound1

    Csound1 wrote:

     

    It has zero relevance to this topic.

    When has that stopped any of them from posting here before?

  • by Marty1299,

    Marty1299 Marty1299 Dec 1, 2013 10:53 AM in response to Gerrit7
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    Dec 1, 2013 10:53 AM in response to Gerrit7

    Apple has inadvertantly given users a reason to by windows machines.  I hate windows but very much need the ability to backup my iphone and synchronize contacts, calendars, notes, etc.  without using a "cloud".  Mavericks has some nice new features but has eliminated a key basic functionality. 

  • by Ryks,

    Ryks Ryks Dec 1, 2013 11:41 AM in response to Marty1299
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    Dec 1, 2013 11:41 AM in response to Marty1299

    Marty,

    I am as upset as you are, but the good news, if it's true, is that  backup/ restore is not broken. Someone just told us it worked via Wi-Fi, and so it probably does via USB to, it would be nice if someone could confirm this.

     

    Cheers

  • by Roswell Ranger,

    Roswell Ranger Roswell Ranger Dec 1, 2013 1:07 PM in response to Ryks
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    Dec 1, 2013 1:07 PM in response to Ryks

    Ryks,

     

    The backup / restore functionality remains intact in iTunes 11.1.3 when used with Mavericks, this however does not enable a user to add information to their iOS devices.  The user can simply backup what is already on the device or restore it if lost.

     

    What this functionality does indicate is that the ability to move data to and from the device via local means is still intact.  Syncing that same data is more complex.  It does stand to reason that one could maintain the Mac as the master data source (ie. never add anything directly to your device while on the go).  Each time you "sync" you simply overwrite everything on the device so it would be a one way rather than a two way sync.

     

    I, like many, don't want to share personal data over the Cloud.  I understand the argument that some people make when they remind us that we already send personal information via emails and that is essentially cloud computing because the ISP has access to the information.  I also understand that some personal information stays private and does not find it's way into emails or the web.

     

    If for example you had recently been diagnosed with a terminal illness, this is something you discuss with your doctor and loved ones in person.  You do not send emails around telling people about it.  You do not post information on Facebook about it, at least not until you are ready to share.  You may keep information in you address book about your doctor or therapist and corresponding appointments in your calendar.  You are hoping you can beat this darn thing before the world finds out or before others closer to you start to worry.  You don't like the idea of this the most personal of personal information floating around in cyberspace where some motivated individual could grab it and share it (if even by accident).  It may be paranoia, but that little extra bit of control makes a big difference to many people. It's basic human psychology.

     

    I think what most people here want is simply an option to protect our privacy, or, as the cynic inside me would say, help maintain the illusion of such.  iCloud provides many benifits to many users but it is not for everyone.  Choice is a powerful enabler.

     

    I think Apple does incredible work. We all do, or we wouldn't be here on this forum.  But consumers have every right to hold Apple accountable for its decisions.  Apple needs to know (and I would argue it would like to know) when customers aren't happy and this forum provides such an outlet.  Yes, of course Apple reads these forums. This is how they gauge customer reactions to their products and shape their response. It is an extremely valuable resource for them.  They are aware of this thread.  Having said that, submitting feedback directly using the feedback submission link is always recommended as well.

  • by Barney-15E,

    Barney-15E Barney-15E Dec 1, 2013 1:45 PM in response to veda1
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    Dec 1, 2013 1:45 PM in response to veda1

    veda1 wrote:

     

    I forgot to mention that I am still running Mountain Lion. Does it make a difference?

    It may as the httpd.conf files may be different.

     

    In your first post, you didn't set the document root to /Library/WebServer/Documents in the Virtual Hosts config file (4.c. under Set Up Web Server).

    The Virtual Host declaration part of that file should look like this:

    <VirtualHost *:8443>

    SSLEngine on

    SSLCipherSuite ALL:!ADH:!EXPORT56:RC4+RSA:+HIGH:+MEDIUM:+LOW:+SSLv2:+EXP:+eNULL

    SSLCertificateFile /private/etc/apache2/ssl/ssl.crt

    SSLCertificateKeyFile /private/etc/apache2/ssl/ssl.key

    ServerName dav.baikal-server

    DocumentRoot "/Library/WebServer/Documents/dav.baikal-server/html"

    </VirtualHost>

  • by Ryks,

    Ryks Ryks Dec 1, 2013 2:02 PM in response to Roswell Ranger
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    Dec 1, 2013 2:02 PM in response to Roswell Ranger

    Dear Roswell,

    thanks for this valuable message. But that makes me wonder. Apple being the company it is, I imagine the decision of removing such an important feature was not taken by a single man. It has been proposed, brainstormed, discussed, and finally approved. Many of us here are considering this as a stupid mistake but is it really so?

    Have they been stupid enough to ignore this psychological side you mentioned? I can't believe this. Someone else, Earlier on this thread, mentioned a malfunction of this feature that started with mountain lion, personally I never had any problem with it, but how true was that, and  was it a reason to remove it? And, of course, there's still this NSA paranoia.

    With all this in mind, I still hope there is a chance that Apple gives us back this feature that we badly miss.

    Best

  • by Drew Reece,

    Drew Reece Drew Reece Dec 1, 2013 3:25 PM in response to Roswell Ranger
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    Dec 1, 2013 3:25 PM in response to Roswell Ranger

    Roswell Ranger wrote:

     

    What this functionality does indicate is that the ability to move data to and from the device via local means is still intact.  Syncing that same data is more complex.  It does stand to reason that one could maintain the Mac as the master data source (ie. never add anything directly to your device while on the go).  Each time you "sync" you simply overwrite everything on the device so it would be a one way rather than a two way sync.

     

     

    I don't think this will work.

     

    If you add any contacts or calendar data to the Mac they won't 'sync' onto the iDevice (beyond all the server nonsense people claim is a replacement). If you restore a backup that will be that last set of data from iOS not the new data on the Mac.

     

    You could manually read the iOS backups & pull out data or you can manually email .vcf files from iOS & OS X, but 'manually syncing' is an insane way to do this.

     

    I think you would be better of waiting to see what Eltima release next year, why torture yourself for an OS that doesn't do what you need?

     

    Seriously if you need geek points run your own server otherwise choose a tool that works.

  • by petermac87,

    petermac87 petermac87 Dec 1, 2013 3:37 PM in response to Drew Reece
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    Dec 1, 2013 3:37 PM in response to Drew Reece

    Drew, it may help the poster and others if you explain exactly why setting up a server is nonsense.

     

    Don't get me wrong, I won't be bothering to set up one either, but several are attempting it.

     

    Cheers

     

    Pet

  • by brollyjohn,

    brollyjohn brollyjohn Dec 1, 2013 3:56 PM in response to Csound1
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    Dec 1, 2013 3:56 PM in response to Csound1

    My point was simple. OSX sowly is being dumbed down by apple. Google is doing a better job with OSX than apple itself. The idea that a mac can take care of core functions without 3rd party software is gone. Probably never existed. The loss of local sync is more sad evidence.

     

    It's ridiculous that apple didn't even have a plan for this and left all the users in this discussion out the cold. A 3rd party company will step in and produce something like syncmate for the iphone and ipad. They'll make a lot of money on it too it seems.

     

    Eventually OSX and IOS will probably merge into some stupid thin client OS resmbling Chrome.

     

    Just 10 more pages of complaints to 100 pages people! All that in just a month and a half.

     

    <Edited By Host>

  • by petermac87,

    petermac87 petermac87 Dec 1, 2013 4:05 PM in response to brollyjohn
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    Dec 1, 2013 4:05 PM in response to brollyjohn

    brollyjohn wrote:

     

    Google is doing a better job with OSX than apple itself.

     

     

    <Edited By Host>

    Can you explain that in more detail?

     

    Thanks

    Pete

  • by brollyjohn,

    brollyjohn brollyjohn Dec 1, 2013 4:52 PM in response to petermac87
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    Dec 1, 2013 4:52 PM in response to petermac87

    See the link I posted 2nd from the top of this page.

     

    Google pretty much mandates it's employees to use macs over windows, linux and even their own chrome os.

     

    Here's another article. 

     

    http://bgr.com/2013/11/28/mac-chromebook-google-employees/

  • by petermac87,

    petermac87 petermac87 Dec 1, 2013 5:04 PM in response to brollyjohn
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    Dec 1, 2013 5:04 PM in response to brollyjohn

    brollyjohn wrote:

     

     

    Google pretty much mandates it's employees to use macs over windows, linux and even their own chrome os.

     

     

    They have brains after all?

     

    Pete

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