Q: How to locally sync an iPhone with OS X Mavericks? iCloud is NOT an option.

SomePlaceWarm wrote:

 

One of the limitations of iCloud syncing is that it appears you cannot create a master slave relationship.

iCloud does not 'sync' your devices, hence there are no 'relationships' between them. iCloud is the master, all else are slaves.

SomePlaceWarm wrote:

 

(don't argue with me, knowitalls).

Delusions of grandeur?

"iCloud does not 'sync' your devices, hence there are no 'relationships' between them. iCloud is the master, all else are slaves."

If you read my post before you posted you would see that is EXACTLY what I said. "One of the limitations of iCloud syncing is that it appears you cannot create a master slave relationship."

Drop the snark. Try to be helpful. Or just back away from the keyboard.

I also do not think you know what the expression "Delusions of grandeur" means.

SomePlaceWarm wrote:

 

I also do not think you know what the expression "Delusions of grandeur" means.

It's a good description of the affliction of those who imagine they have the authority to tell others when, where and what to post.

Look in the mirror.

If you really want help to sync without really syncing, you are off topic. Create a new thread. Without being agressive preferably.

Hi, you've posted feedback and left a review in the Appstore I hope?

Delusions of grandeur?

"Hi, you've posted feedback and left a review in the Appstore I hope?"

Sure did.

Your irony is misdirected.  Not telling you to do anything. Merely giving advice on style and content. IF you want to have a means of selective sync, and the solutions already posted on this thread do not suffice, I advise you to open your own thread without pre-judging expected replies. 

SomePlaceWarm wrote:

 

One of the limitations of iCloud syncing is that it appears you cannot create a master slave relationship. I do not want the changes (sometimes accidental) on an iDevice to ever affect in anyway what is on the iMac. This was easy with iTunes/sync services. I cannot figure out how to do it with iCloud.

 

I do not believe that apple does not know what goes on here. As a former apple developer (contract) I assure you the company is well aware of issues brought up here and elsewhere (don't argue with me, knowitalls).

 

That said it is obviously rare for apple to go back on these types of decsions. I do not see what it hurts apple to restore sync services -- except for some egg on someones face.  it might work to post in the feedback section.

Exactly. iCloud is always the master and that creates a one-size fits all miserable solution, supported by a company who has failed to support any and all of their previously marketed cloud service efforts and systems.

iCloud always makes a unilateral decision where and when to connect to iDevices. Heck with what you're doing. This has frustrated us in the past, as many of these machine decisions occured at inconvenient times. Quite often, our iPhones and/or iPads were brought to a screeching halt by iCloud's take over, and I've watched service techs punch their iPhone's screen over and over again with their finger, trying to get the unit to emerge from it's seemingly frozen state and pay attention to them.

Turning iCloud off returned the "spring" to our iPhone's step - but of course, created a new set of problems. We've run into iDevices requesting passwords constantly - like every few minutes; data between iCloud & Macs completely out of sync; and, some loss of data also experienced. Data loss to us is simply inexcusable. It's not stable or robust enough of a platform to switch on & off & expect it to pick up where it left off. It is not dependable.

Humans should be in control, and frankly, as a decades long Mac user, I think Apple should know better. In order to firmly support our firm's long-term future, we figured that we might as well use Windows, it still supports local USB sync via iTunes, where we are in control. That way, we can sell the Macs we use - but still keep our iDevices.

Being able to tell iCloud who's the boss might offend Apple's delicate sensibilities but in any sync situation we require, it's required.

Matt Schultz wrote:

 

Exactly. iCloud is always the master and that creates a one-size fits all miserable solution

iCloud isn't the master, but it is the host. Last change in wins.

Humans should be in control

Why do you not think you are in control. I seem to be able to control my iCloud contacts just fine.

What does iCloud do to your contacts that you didn't do?

iCloud is always the master and that creates a one-size fits all miserable solution

CalDAV and CardDAV (which iCloud uses) are cross-platform industry standards, used by Google, Yahoo, Fruux and many other huge companies. They're not Apple developed technologies, created in a bubble without the input of anybody outside the company.

Quite often, our iPhones and/or iPads were brought to a screeching halt by iCloud's take over

What on earth are you doing with them? I've been using iCloud for years (since before it was publicly available) and never has it made the slightest impact on my iOS devices performance...

It's not stable or robust enough of a platform to switch on & off & expect it to pick up where it left off. It is not dependable.

That is completely the opposite of my experience. In the private beta period it had a bit of downtime, but never lost data, and for the last couple of years has worked perfectly.

we figured that we might as well use Windows, it still supports local USB sync via iTunes

For now... Any idea when Apple will remove that feature from Windows? Then what will you do? Name any other mobile phone operating system that allows local USB syncing natively.

Face it - local syncing is on the way out. It's unreliable. Conflict resolution is painful and frequently causes data loss. That is why ALL of the major players are moving to cloud-based solutions, and most are using EXACTLY the same industry-standard, cross-platform protocols Apple is using.

Sell all your Macs and switch to Windows if you want, but I can guarantee you'll be in the same situation there sooner or later, and then you'll be stuck with no alternative but using an inferior desktop OS.

Hi snowdrop,

You reply is OK, but doesn't address my and many others problems using iCloud, we don't have access or consistence access to the Internet. I live in an RV in remote areas with no Cell access for most of the time, we are self sufficient with solar and batteries. We, also, travel to remote areas around the world with limited WWW access. We use our notebooks and ios devices locally in the field.  I don't have the funds or patience to use satellite or local network server access.

We need a simple local USB and/or WiFi sync on calenders, contacts plus, point locations), map coordinate locations, notes and reminders.  If Apple will not supply a sync capability I sure an App developer will create a database function. I feel sorry for lawyers, Doctors, law enforcement, and other sensitive system users that need local sync and are precluded from storing data on remote sites that are not under their control. I for one, boot Mt. Lion from a separate drive to sync my ISO and MBP applications, which should work for a year or two.

I feel sorry for lawyers, Doctors, law enforcement, and other sensitive system users that need local sync and are precluded from storing data on remote sites that are not under their control.

Nobody that requires storage of sensitive data would use Apple's cloud. They would host their own servers to host out that information.

And, as I've already shown, you can host your own servers on your own Mac, without need for iCloud or any cloud.

hi all,

so I understand there are two works around this problem.

One is Baïcal and the other one is OX server, right?

could someone summarise the good and bad sides of each and if they are mutually exclusive?

Best, and Merry Christmas to all.