Q: How to locally sync an iPhone with OS X Mavericks? iCloud is NOT an option.

brollyjohn wrote:

 

You're probably right. It's quite possible a lot of them are very capable and well-versed in cloud computing. It's equally possible many aren't.

 

I think Apple with their amazingly subtle branding (see image from apple site) and in-OS pursuasion preys upon the non-technical. It's incredibly easy to sign up for a free icloud account right from your system preferences! Slick. I personally won't drink the koolaid but hats off to those who do if they're happy.

 

Losing local sync and moving users to the cloud is a symptom of the continuing dumbing down of OS X into a thin client.

 

Mavericks as it stands at is a work in progress and if you're on 10.9.1 you're basically a developer testing the beta.

 

You get what you pay for with this upgrade.

 

Your arguements are compelling!

Thanks for clearing up everything. you should et Apple know as well, so they don't go bankrupt.

Thanks

Pete

You get what you pay for with this upgrade.

 

It does for me. I no longer have to plug in my iPhone and iPad to sync my data.

Everything is always up to date.

I don't have to solve conflicts every time I sync.

Why would I want the crappy SyncServices?

I'm glad you're happy with your icloud. Hats off to you! None for me thanks.

I'm personally looking forward to when what's left of sync services is also removed for music, movies, podcasts, apps and well.... everything. That should be interesting and I have a feeling you'll be busy helping a slew of new users.

Why would you want the crappy SyncServices?

You should ask Gerrit7 the user who started this thread to begin with.

Absolute Genius. This has solved the entire issue. Thank you!! And I was starting to believe all the positive articles about iCloud and almost believing those sites which have awarded it the top Product of the year award. Thank goodness you came to the fore with the evidence you have provided.

Thank

Pete

brollyjohn wrote:

 

I'm personally looking forward to when what's left of sync services is also removed for music, movies, podcasts, apps and well.... everything. That should be interesting and I have a feeling you'll be busy helping a slew of new users.

You don't seem to understand the situation at all.

Movies, Music, apps, etc are not "synced." They are transferred on or off the devices.

Apps are already cloud-based and can be installed and updated without touching a Mac.

With iTunes Match, music is the same way.

So, for the most part, your desires are almost fulfilled.

that was available as an option for a long time.

Your point is mostly a semantic argument.

Actually, podcasts, books and movies still do locally sync for the moment (don't hold your breath).

For example, the podcast app remembers the last point at which you left off on whichever device you were using which is more than just "transfer" on and off said devices.

Then again "tranferring" data on and off devices is a not all but major part what of the definition of sync is, isn't it?

Then again "tranferring" data on and off devices is a not all but major part what of the definition of sync is, isn't it?

I have always understood that syncing implies a merge and conflict resolution process. The current CalDAV and CardDAV process is a last in wins system (though I've never been able to make simultaneous changes on more than one device to verify it is absolute). The data is replaced with the last update which basically eliminates the conflict resolution. All of your devices are in synch, but the data may not have been synchronized between devices. Synchronization of the data would merge the phone number change you made on one device with the address change you made on another, assuming you are editing the same state of the contact.

But, that is semantics.

Barney-15E wrote:

 

I have always understood that syncing implies a merge and conflict resolution process. The current CalDAV and CardDAV process is a last in wins system (though I've never been able to make simultaneous changes on more than one device to verify it is absolute). The data is replaced with the last update which basically eliminates the conflict resolution. All of your devices are in synch, but the data may not have been synchronized between devices. Synchronization of the data would merge the phone number change you made on one device with the address change you made on another, assuming you are editing the same state of the contact.

 

But, that is semantics.

Not semantics, that's what syncing should be.  Even iTunes USB sync would only offer the choice of replacing all of one entry from one device with that from another, when resolving conflicts.  There was no option to keep the updated phone number from one device with the updated address from the other. 

While there has been a lot of pointless argument in this thread, I continue to subscribe to it in the hopes that I will be informed if/when a true 3rd party sync solution becomes available. 

It has been my experience that, sometimes, some sync resolver pops up and points to different versions of an event or a contact entry; the resolver asks you to select which one is correct.  I don't know exactly what causes this behavior.  However, I suspect it's not always 'the last in' winning.

As I did not want to use iCloud for syncing, I reverted back to Mountain Lion.  I posted a brief overview on October 30th in another more civil thread at https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5468778?start=75&tstart=0

For what it's worth, it's one alternative.

aps.

Armando Stettner wrote:

 

It has been my experience that, sometimes, some sync resolver pops up and points to different versions of an event or a contact entry;

There is no conflict resolver in iCloud Calendars or Contacts.

Armando Stettner wrote:

 

It has been my experience that, sometimes, some sync resolver pops up and points to different versions of an event or a contact entry; the resolver asks you to select which one is correct.  I don't know exactly what causes this behavior.  However, I suspect it's not always 'the last in' winning.

I have never seen that with the CardDAV implementation in Contacts.

According to the RFC, CardDAV does not implement resolution, but affords the client an ability to do so:

9.2.  Avoiding Lost Updates

 

When resources are accessed by multiple clients, the possibility of clients overwriting each other’s changes exists.  To alleviate this, clients SHOULD use the If-Match request header on PUT requests with the ETag of the previously retrieved resource data to check whether the resource was modified since it was previously retrieved.  If a precondition failure occurs, clients need to reload the resource and go through their own merge or conflict resolution process before writing back the data (again using the If-Match check).

I have attempted to create conflicts, and I have not seen any indication that Contacts implements any sort of conflict resolution.

I have not tried with Calendar.

iCloud's Dav accounts are not multi user, that's why you don't see any conflicts.

Can anyone tell me, how my 10 year old nephew should sync his iPhone (iOS 7.0.3) contacts with his father

's Mac (10.9.1).

He cannot get an Apple ID because therefor he needs to be at least 13 years old. Without an Apple ID, he cannot use iCloud and without iCloud, he cannot Sync his contacts.

I do not understand, why Apple removes the local contact sync...

Csound1 wrote:

 

Armando Stettner wrote:

 

It has been my experience that, sometimes, some sync resolver pops up and points to different versions of an event or a contact entry;

There is no conflict resolver in iCloud Calendars or Contacts.

Thanks, Csound1; another brick in the wall against the use of iCloud....