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  • Allan Marcus1 Level 1 Level 1 (45 points)

    Even if you roll back to Mountain Lion, iTunes still will get updated to the new version and you WILL NOT be able to sync via USB cable.

    This is not true. The current version of iTunes running under 10.8.5 WILL allow you to sync contacts, calendars, bookmarks, and account info locally.

  • snozdop Level 5 Level 5 (5,800 points)

    Even if you roll back to Mountain Lion, iTunes still will get updated to the new version and you WILL NOT be able to sync via USB cable.

     

    You are wrong. It is not iTunes that stops this from working. As has been mentioned numerous times in this thread already, it is the final removal of the long deprecated OS X SyncServices framework from Mavericks that stops it.

     

    In short, Apple has finally pensioned off its own, old, proprietary, non-standard, Mac-only, local sync protocol for industry standard, cross-platform, open, server-based syncing protocols - CalDAV and CardDAV (the same as Google, Yahoo, Fruux and other contact and calendar sync systems use).

     

    A cross-platform, industry-standard, platform independent, open standard for local USB or WiFi syncing does not exist, so without a huge amount of (extremely unlikely) hardware and software maker, standards body, collaboration, you're not going to get what you want, ever.

  • Z001 Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    I can confirm that. Latest iTunes works fine on OSX 10.8 and 10.6 machines, syncing calendar and contast (i.e. has Info button) with IOS7 and earlier devices.

  • Gerrit7 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    snozdop wrote:

     

     

    Even if you roll back to Mountain Lion, iTunes still will get updated to the new version and you WILL NOT be able to sync via USB cable.

     

     

    You are wrong. It is not iTunes that stops this from working. As has been mentioned numerous times in this thread already, it is the final removal of the long deprecated OS X SyncServices framework from Mavericks that stops it.

     

    In short, Apple has finally pensioned off its own, old, proprietary, non-standard, Mac-only, local sync protocol for industry standard, cross-platform, open, server-based syncing protocols - CalDAV and CardDAV (the same as Google, Yahoo, Fruux and other contact and calendar sync systems use).

     

    A cross-platform, industry-standard, platform independent, open standard for local USB or WiFi syncing does not exist, so without a huge amount of (extremely unlikely) hardware and software maker, standards body, collaboration, you're not going to get what you want, ever.

     

    Well, and that's the problem if you're uncomfortable with storing your contacts and calendars on a server that is under someone else's control and maybe even in another country with quite different laws concerning who gets to do what with your data.

     

    Also, I consider if overkill to use a server just so I can keep my address book and calendar in sync between 2 devices.

     

    But it looks like I will have to do just that and spend the extra money for the OS X server so I can run it on my MBP to be able to keep the the laptop and iPhone in sync.

     

    Sometimes progress isn't.

  • RobertCailliau Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Gerrit7:

    I fully agree.

    The point is not whether the protocols are open, modern, standard etc. but that I have to use someone else's server.

     

    It would therefore be OK if Mavericks included a CalDav/CardDAV server for just the purpose of local syncing.  That could be done easily without the full-blown OSX server installation.

    It would also allow syncing with non-iOS devices.

    So maybe that is what we should ask for.

     

    I run Missing Sync for Android on Mountain Lion and it works perfectly:  local sync, and no need at all for iTunes. Syncs calendar, contacts, notes, photos, SMS log, ... with my Samsung Galaxy.

    Of course that setup will not work when I go to Mavericks, iTunes or no iTunes.

     

    Sadly few people on this thread seem to understand what it is we want.

  • snozdop Level 5 Level 5 (5,800 points)

    It would therefore be OK if Mavericks included a CalDav/CardDAV server for just the purpose of local syncing.  That could be done easily without the full-blown OSX server installation.

     

    Has anyone tried this: http://www.ronregev.com/misc/pim_server_tutorial/

     

    It looks a bit old, so may have advanced from there, but seems to offer what you want.

  • RobertCailliau Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Snozdop, yes, I mentioned its existence before in this thread, and I also pointed out that DCS (Darwin CalDAV Server) is among the best ones for use on Linux.

     

    In my reply to Gerrit7 I was suggesting it be included in a future Mavericks update.

  • zaphod42 Level 1 Level 1 (20 points)

    just looking for an alternative to sync my devices without the iCloud .. as many other as it seems!!!!!!!!!!

    did anyone try SabreDAV?

    or knows an "easy" to setup&use alternative?

  • jbcaillau Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Dear all,

     

    The situation is now clear. It is was indeed quite predictible as someone mentioned in this thread (see Reminders and Notes). Still, the way Apple did it is less than friendly (litote).

     

    Running a local server makes sense, either using Mac OS X server (@blogott) or a home made solution (@RobertCailliau). I suggest to anyone having done it to post somewhere a detailed how to.

     

    Best.

     

    PS. What about Reminders and Notes sync on a local server?

  • khagse Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    whooooo...kiltedtim getting biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig!!! LOL

  • Temetus Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Without doing anything:

     

    1) My iPhone did NOT show in the iTunes devices, or in iPhoto. I could not sync videos or anything from my iPhone. (Didn't try iPad)

     

    2) Now couple of boots and sleeps later, the phone just pops up in devices and in iPhoto?

     

    ==> USB-sync works.

     

    I don't know what the problem was, but I was ready to get angry too..

  • TristanBZH Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Even if I wanted to use ICloud, (which I don't) , I can't, my old iPhone 3G does not support iCloud !

    Give me back the choice !

  • WiseJD Level 4 Level 4 (1,600 points)

    Your point is well taken and very important considering the number of people who will think due to this ever expanding thread that they can't sync their iPhone to their Computer.  Truth be known ...you can.  As typical the devil is in the detail.  This thread is about a subset of information on people's iPhones; and more specifically about a subset of people that use Macintosh Computers with the latest OSX Mavericks.  Having said that you can Sync your iPhone with Macintosh Computers that have the latest OS X Mavericks, the latest iTunes and with iPhones that have the latest iOS 7.0.3.  The people that have proliferated this Thread to so many pages care deeply about their own Control of their Data, and consequently care deeply about their ability to sync their iPhones inclusive of their Calendars and their Contacts for example without the intervention of the Internet and iCloud remote Storage. 

     

    There is nothing about those folks wants and/or needs for Control and Security surrounding their right to Privacy.  It is important at the same time that iPhone Users don't misunderstand this Thread to think that they just plain can't Sync their iPhones to their Computers using their USB cable. 

  • Allan Marcus1 Level 1 Level 1 (45 points)

    You are wrong. It is not iTunes that stops this from working. As has been mentioned numerous times in this thread already, it is the final removal of the long deprecated OS X SyncServices framework from Mavericks that stops it.

     

    Sorry, but are wrong, qand you make the arguement above. Apple removed SyncService from 10.9, not 10.8. If you stay with 10.8 (which is MOuntail Lion), you will still have Sync Services locally.

  • AndyD Level 1 Level 1 (95 points)

    I don't know if this is what you are looking for, but I was posting is the server forums looking for a resource for server and this was suggested. This is an eBook on...

     

    Using Mavricks Server at Home http://www.wegotserved.com/category/home-servers/

     

    For those of you still on Mountain Lion they also have an ebook for Mountain Loin Server

     

    Some of this discussion wouldbe better served and more answers if someone would place a well thought out post in the Servers forum on waht we are trying to accomplish... That is regain control of our data locally, not in anybody's Cloud.  Tha is local syncing of Calendars and Contacts to our iDevice.

     

    Oh, yeah, if someone does start such a thread in the Servers forum... Pleas put a link to the thread in this thread.

     

    If I get to it today I will do that, but I am not sure I will have time.

     

    Thanks,

     

    Andy

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