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Q: How to locally sync an iPhone with OS X Mavericks? iCloud is NOT an option.

I read that OS X Mavericks will no longer allow me to use iTunes to sync my iPhone to a local system but makes iCloud mandatory? Is that correct?

 

iCloud is not a valid option for me since I have no control about my data there, I need to keep all my data (contacts, calendar...) on a system under my control and so far iTunes allowed me to do that which was one of the reasons I didn't even consider Android or Windows Phone.

OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.5)

Posted on Oct 20, 2013 8:54 AM

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Q: How to locally sync an iPhone with OS X Mavericks? iCloud is NOT an option.

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  • by peter_watt,

    peter_watt peter_watt Jan 9, 2014 8:28 AM in response to mausalista
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    Jan 9, 2014 8:28 AM in response to mausalista

    Ok I read the article and the Apple releasees link, and I don't see how Sophos (the unnecessary Mac antivirus) can make that dubious conclusion, apart from trying to incorrectly scare older OSX users to buy unnecessary products.

     

    And it is still off topic.

     

    Btw your links don't work without some work.

  • by mausalista,

    mausalista mausalista Jan 9, 2014 8:50 AM in response to peter_watt
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    Jan 9, 2014 8:50 AM in response to peter_watt

    Sorry for the link problem ... I've never posted in this forum before so may have overlooked something (though I was following the 'procedure' for including the links carefully).

     

    But I don't think the post is off-topic. It's very relevant to people making a decision whether to stay with an old OS or not. And why would Apple have bothered to make those security amendments in their new OS if they were not necessary? Fact is that Apple seems to have stopped supporting an OS that's merely 15 months old and leaves users of Mountain Lion etc. exposed to security issues.

  • by peter_watt,

    peter_watt peter_watt Jan 9, 2014 10:00 AM in response to mausalista
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    Jan 9, 2014 10:00 AM in response to mausalista

    That Apple is not supporting older OS is by no means proven by either article. Some of those apps are updated for 10.9 and later because they do not run on older OSX. The second article contains a few trivial examples that are difficult to prove. Using "information" provided by antivirus companies is dangerous.

     

    The decision to stay on older OS is not the topic. It is "How can I sync calendar and contacts without using icloud or syncservices. ".

     

    Constructive comments should be related to the topic.

  • by RJHack,

    RJHack RJHack Jan 12, 2014 11:17 AM in response to Gerrit7
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    Jan 12, 2014 11:17 AM in response to Gerrit7

    I live in Africa have limited access to the internet and syncing over iCloud is not an option. Also I will be breaking I don't know how many data privacy laws....

  • by KiltedTim,

    KiltedTim KiltedTim Jan 12, 2014 11:18 AM in response to RJHack
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    Jan 12, 2014 11:18 AM in response to RJHack

    Thanks for sharing.  Here's a quarter...

  • by James Richards,

    James Richards James Richards Jan 12, 2014 11:30 AM in response to RJHack
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    Jan 12, 2014 11:30 AM in response to RJHack

    As this thread is massive, you may have missed the fact that there is a local sync solution, albeit via wifi (either your own local network or direct between Mac and iPhone) rather than USB. It may or may not suit you, but it is a working option for some. See this earlier post of mine. I hope this is some help.  James

  • by DigiAngel,

    DigiAngel DigiAngel Jan 12, 2014 12:30 PM in response to RJHack
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    Jan 12, 2014 12:30 PM in response to RJHack

    RJHack,

     

    As James kindly posted, there ARE ways to get "local" sync.  Your options:

     

    Setup your own caldav/cardav service on your current Mac (Baikal)

    Purchase OS X Server and upgrade your current Mac (comes with Calendar and Contacts server)

    Reinstall your previous OS X and restore your data if you've made a backup

    Reinstall your previous OS X and basically start from scratch

     

    Try and ignore the clowns that post unhelpful, condescending comments, or that assume you've made a backup of anything, or assume you're a perfect computer user.  Hope that helps.

  • by petermac87,

    petermac87 petermac87 Jan 12, 2014 12:40 PM in response to DigiAngel
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    Jan 12, 2014 12:40 PM in response to DigiAngel

    DigiAngel wrote:

     

    Try and ignore the clowns ................................ that assume you've made a backup of anything

    Why would the suggestion of backing up one's crucial and irreplacable data make one a 'clown'?

     

    Pete

  • by IdrisSeabright,

    IdrisSeabright IdrisSeabright Jan 12, 2014 12:59 PM in response to DigiAngel
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    Jan 12, 2014 12:59 PM in response to DigiAngel

    DigiAngel wrote:

     

    Try and ignore the clowns that post unhelpful, condescending comments, or that assume you've made a backup of anything, or assume you're a perfect computer user. 

    It is just plain stupid not to have a back up of crucial data.

  • by DigiAngel,

    DigiAngel DigiAngel Jan 12, 2014 1:13 PM in response to IdrisSeabright
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    Jan 12, 2014 1:13 PM in response to IdrisSeabright

    Pete and Meg,

     

    I COMPLETELY agree.  I backup nightly.  However, I'm going to guess that a fair amount of people don't.  That being said, replying with "restore from backup" most likely won't really help.  I'm only guessing, but I imagine most folks that get to this thread took these steps:

     

    a)  Didn't do any research at all of Mavericks

    b)  Just upgraded and discovered the Info tab is missing and can no longer sync

    b)  Franticaly come searching the forums for answers

     

    And you're right...they SHOULD have done research...they SHOULD have been backing up, but they are still in a bind, even if they put themselves there.  Perhaps if we have a little more compansion and understanding...step into their shoes for a moment, that may change how we help.

  • by IKneadTheDough,

    IKneadTheDough IKneadTheDough Jan 12, 2014 1:20 PM in response to Gerrit7
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    Jan 12, 2014 1:20 PM in response to Gerrit7

    I would like to share my experience to everyone who is interested in locally syncing their contacts and calendars between their mac and iOS device.

     

    I first tried to do it with Baikal following the instructions Barney-15E generously provided. I was able to get the server running, unfortunately, however, my 2nd gen iPod touch running iOS 4 was not able to verify the server.

     

    During the many hours I spent trying to get it to work, I was tempted to give in and use iCloud several times but held out. I didn't want to revert to Mountain Lion as I am pretty fond of the new iLife and iWork apps (with the exception of the new Pages due to it not having the mail merge function anymore). I then came across an article on macworld.com by Christopher Breen. The article explains how to set up a server on one's mac using OSX Server from the App Store, which IMO is a bargain at CHF 20 (approx. USD 20).

     

    This solution works pretty well and OSX Server, of course, offers a lot more funcionality than just setting up CalDAV and CardDAV accounts. One point while setting everything up, which I stumbled on, is that the user name and password in the CalDAV and CardDAV accounts must be identical to the user name and password of the user account on the mac being used as the server.

     

    The one annoyance with this solution is that for some reason it created multiple duplicates (up to 15!) of several contact groups when I was copying them from my mac to the local server. I then had to painstakingly delete these duplicate groups one by one and while I was deleting them it continued creating more duplicates. It was a race to delete the duplicate groups more quickly than it created new ones.

     

    I run a small language school (outside the USA) and use the Calendar and Contacts apps for the different courses and students we have at our school. I do not see the point in storing this sensitive data on Apple servers in the USA outside of my control that could be hacked by criminals or even worse the NSA or simply fail. So I am now very happy to have found a workaround and not to be forced into switching to Windows, juts to be able to locally sync between iTunes and iOS devices apparently still works on Windows.

     

    The following is off-topic, so please feel free to not read it.

    OSX server will come in handy to configure accounts for my teachers and allow them access to our teaching materials from different computers. Now I am just hoping for mail merge to be restored in Pages, as we use it to make the invoices we send to our course participants. Our workflow involves creating the invoice from a Pages '09 template and then dragging and dropping the contact group from the Contacts app onto the address field in the invoice, thus creating a multi-paged document containing the invoices for every student in the group. A very elegant solution which unfortunately doesn't work anymore in the otherwise superb new iWork suite. The new Pages would require us to enter copy-and-paste ****.

  • by petermac87,

    petermac87 petermac87 Jan 12, 2014 1:40 PM in response to DigiAngel
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    Jan 12, 2014 1:40 PM in response to DigiAngel

    DigiAngel wrote:

     

    Pete and Meg,

     

    I COMPLETELY agree.  I backup nightly.  However, I'm going to guess that a fair amount of people don't.  That being said, replying with "restore from backup" most likely won't really help.  I'm only guessing, but I imagine most folks that get to this thread took these steps:

     

    a)  Didn't do any research at all of Mavericks

    b)  Just upgraded and discovered the Info tab is missing and can no longer sync

    b)  Franticaly come searching the forums for answers

     

    And you're right...they SHOULD have done research...they SHOULD have been backing up, but they are still in a bind, even if they put themselves there.  Perhaps if we have a little more compansion and understanding...step into their shoes for a moment, that may change how we help.

    So we suggest people disregard their data in the future and erase their drive and reinstall everytime they don't like a change in the OSX? And 'guessing' is even less of a help.

     

    Pete

  • by SithsInSpace,

    SithsInSpace SithsInSpace Jan 12, 2014 6:13 PM in response to DigiAngel
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    Jan 12, 2014 6:13 PM in response to DigiAngel

    The other route is to USB/WiFi sync to a Windows machine, where iTunes still allows syncing of Contacts to Outlook, etc.

    That's the route I have gone.

  • by petermac87,

    petermac87 petermac87 Jan 12, 2014 6:49 PM in response to SithsInSpace
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    Jan 12, 2014 6:49 PM in response to SithsInSpace

    SithsInSpace wrote:

     

    The other route is to USB/WiFi sync to a Windows machine, where iTunes still allows syncing of Contacts to Outlook, etc.

    That's the route I have gone.

    Wonderful, although this is an Apple Support site. Most users do not have a Windoze box. I have none in my Computer collection, and will never contemplate adding one.

    And how long do you think that Apple may leave this option in iTunes for Windows? I am not even sure if the iTunes works in Windows 8. You may need to use an outdated Windows OS to run iTunes, so why not just use an outdated Mac OSX?

     

    http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2409155,00.asp

     

    Good Luck

     

    Pete

  • by IdrisSeabright,

    IdrisSeabright IdrisSeabright Jan 12, 2014 6:54 PM in response to petermac87
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    Jan 12, 2014 6:54 PM in response to petermac87

    petermac87 wrote:

     

    SithsInSpace wrote:

     

    The other route is to USB/WiFi sync to a Windows machine, where iTunes still allows syncing of Contacts to Outlook, etc.

    That's the route I have gone.

    Wonderful, although this is an Apple Support site. Most users do not have a Windoze box.

    Actually, Peter, I'd bet a significant percentage iPad and iPhone users do have Windows computers. "Apple" isn't just Macs anymore.

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