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  • AndyD Level 1 Level 1

    This is well thought out.  I really hope this is what you told Apple. The more people who directly tell Apple about their concerns for data protection and privacy issues I believe Apple will start to understand how many of us feel about our data security for both backup protection and privacy.



  • antdude Level 1 Level 1
    Mac OS X

    AndyD wrote:


    This is well thought out.  I really hope this is what you told Apple. The more people who directly tell Apple about their concerns for data protection and privacy issues I believe Apple will start to understand how many of us feel about our data security for both backup protection and privacy.



    Yes, everyone should tell Apple like through here: ... I am writing one right now!

  • ChrisW£ Level 1 Level 1

    Hi Boglott,

    thanks for the info on OSX Server. I'm an ex Windows user so am still finding my way around the MAC. Another poster asked if OSX Server would run all the time the MAC is switched on (I'm using a Macbook Pro Retina). I have Parallels installed so that I can run Windows for some of my legacy software so could I install OSX server as another VM and just turn it on when I am doing a local sync?


    p.s. Parallels also didn't work after upgrading to Maverick, found from another forum that I I needed to do a reinstall of Parallels 8 so did an upgrade to Parallels 9 instead, another £30ish, but 9 is supposedly fully compatible with Maverick.


    p.p.s For various reasons I had to start using another cloud based service (I won't say which) for some trivial data shared with a few colleagues. Before I did so, I did a little research and was impressed by the security procedures they have in place so that their staff only have access to the parts of the system they need for their tasks. Then I found an entry in Wikipedia that described the same cloud service exposing clients data to anyone accessing the service, without a password, for 2 or 3 hours, following a SECURITY UPDATE on the system. And people wonder why cloud services are viewed with suspicion!

  • Stokesymadrid Level 1 Level 1

    Folks, like many of you I was concerned about the lack of an option to locally back up and sync contacts...while I've complained to Apple and hope that the company listens to those of you who have done likewise, I've looked around for another solution. It seems that there is various iphone software out there that enables you to back up your contacts within that software, and also to mail yourself backup files in various formats. You can also upload to dropbox, etc.


    The software I've been trying out is called Contacts Kit - it's on iTunes, both free and paid versions. I'm not quite clear on what the latter offers that the former doesn't, but the free one seems to work.


    Play around with it, see what you think. It might help those of you who are looking for a solution while Apple (hopefully) rethinks this decision of removing what was a very useful function.

  • TristanBZH Level 1 Level 1

    My previous message was erased, it was probably not politicaly correct to refer to a internet petition to ask apple bring the 100%offline sync for ios back!

  • KiltedTim Level 9 Level 9

    Politically correct doesn't enter into it. Violating the TOS does.

  • TristanBZH Level 1 Level 1

    sorry, didn't ment to.....

  • Bmitchell2226 Level 1 Level 1

    I take it you must have software prior to iOS 6? If so you will need to do an iTunes/ wifi sync in your iTunes settings on your phone and computer.

  • antdude Level 1 Level 1
    Mac OS X

    If you have access to Apple Bug Reporter at ... then feel free to report it as a feature request to bring back for future Mac OS X 10.9+ versions. I just did.

  • shoot_me Level 1 Level 1

    Just a quick summary


    This thread is concerned with the removal of the "sync services" framework in the new OS X Mavericks and the effects this has had on users and with possible solutions.



    Sync services was used by iTunes to synchronize calendars, contacts, (and in the far past notes and reminders), between iOS devices and Macs, if these were not set to sync via iCloud. This sync happened during the iTunes sync over USB or local Wifi. With the removal of sync services, iTunes can no longer do this and users have to fall back to iCloud or other cloud services.



    Opinions voiced here mention the following:

    1. Don't want that private information in the Cloud for for fear of hacks and abuse
    2. Loss of control over safety of data, server errors happen (see Amazon), and Apple will hardly pay damages. If my Mac dies and I didn't back up correctly, that is my responsibility.
    3. Fear of government intrusions
    4. iPhone 3G, original iPad and iPod touch 2G do not support iCloud and are now disconnected regarding contacts and calendar
    5. Legal issues concerning EU customers when storing business/client/patient/student data on non-EU servers.
    6. On the go with Laptop and iOS, only the latter may have internet access and they can't sync.
    7. Data consumption of iCloud (it once burned through my entire 300MB plan in two weeks, before I turned it off)



    1. Contact Apple through in the hope of getting sync services back, one can hope ;(
    2. Use an alternative cloud service (Google, etc.) for unsupported devices
    3. Set up your own server in the home network
      1. OSX Server
      2. ownCloud
      3. open source CalDAV and CardDAV servers
    4. Revert to OSX 10.8 Mountain Lion (Warning: iTunes 12 will come eventually and may not support sync services anymore)
    5. Pen and Paper
    6. give up and use iCloud
    7. Deal with it
  • Matt Schultz Level 1 Level 1
    Windows Software

    There is another local syncing solution. Local USB syncing via iTunes in Windows has not been deprecated/crippled like the Mac has.


    iTunes has been a remarkable profit driver & ecosystem enabler for Apple over the years, going back to the early iPods. Why they would lessen it's grip & control in favor of an on-line system that they've traditionally been very suspect in supporting is a bad strategic error IMHO.

  • snozdop Level 5 Level 5

    Allan Marcus1 wrote:



    You are wrong. It is not iTunes that stops this from working. As has been mentioned numerous times in this thread already, it is the final removal of the long deprecated OS X SyncServices framework from Mavericks that stops it.



    Sorry, but are wrong, qand you make the arguement above. Apple removed SyncService from 10.9, not 10.8. If you stay with 10.8 (which is MOuntail Lion), you will still have Sync Services locally.


    What are you talking about? Try re-reading and actually understanding what I wrote. I never said Apple removed SyncServices in 10.8. I didn't even mention 10.8.


    SyncServices was deprecated (look it up if you don't know what it means) in OS X 10.7 Lion, and was finally removed from OS X 10.9 Mavericks - which is what I said.

  • AndyD Level 1 Level 1

    Wow! ! Apple has been trying to woo Windows users over to Mac and other Apple products for the last  at least 15 years, now there is a reason to migrate to Windows.  The OS is not **that** different, maybe this is an additional solution to the control of data, data security (backup) and privacy issues.  Hmmm... Is Apple really trying to tell usrs to swtich to Windows?  Maybe Apple is really tired of selling so many computers and would really like to give Dell a chance to catch up.


    The loss of local sync could drive users away.  I this really what Apple wants?


    On a positive note, Apple doesn't have to restore Sync Services in Mavericks, all they need to do is put a subset of he functions from server to allow those users who want, to have local control and regain responsibility for their data. Just a small App, I would buy it in a heartbeat.


    Apple has lots of solutions available to restore the local sync of calendar and contact data.  All they have to do is implement one and give us back our choice to use iCloud or not.  I'm in the not category.


    I am going to give this a couple of weeks to see how things shake out.  If worse comes to worse I will implement a home server to make sure I keep control of my data. I am not going to upgrade to Mavericks until I solve my problem. I sure am glad I am not an early adopter with each new OS release.



  • snozdop Level 5 Level 5

    Apple has lots of solutions available to restore the local sync of calendar and contact data.


    Can you list some of these "lots of solutions available"? I'm not actually aware of any (except running a local CalDAV/CardDAV server)...


    There's certainly no cross-platform, industry-standard, open protocols for syncing contacts and calendars locally over USB or WiFi, and Apple are moving away from proprietary protocols.

  • vizar Level 1 Level 1

    I have 5000+ contacts in Outlook for Mac 2011 and I only need 150 of them on iPhone. And I want my new contacts created on iPhone to appear in Outlook. I use Business Card Scan App which creates a contact out of paper card, so sync between iPhone and Outlook is necessary for this workflow.


    iCloud pulls all 5000 previously sync'ed contacts from the Contacts application. Of course in my casne Contacts app by now has outdated data becasue I add at least 3-5 new contacts to Outlook daily.


    Before Mavericks I could use WiFi sync via iTunes where I selected group that I need to sync. Now it's all gone and I've spent hours of time to find this particular discussion and to my regret there's no answer here. Basically, what it need is vey simple per-group sync between Outlook-Contacts-iPhohe. Apple, is it really too much?


    Let it be iCloud, I'm not too worried about sending info to the cloud, but it should be able to sync only selected groups/categories and we should be able to change/assign categories of the contacts created or stored on iPhone runnins iOS7.


    If anyone had similar problem and found a solution, please reply! Alternatively, the only option I see now is to wait and hope for Apple update with added local sync features.

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