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  • HaoleKai Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    I just bought an ipad air and couldn't figure out why my contacts wouldn't sync.  Now I know.

     

    I have been an IT professional for >30 years.  I will not use the iCloud for anything, ever.

     

    I do not understand why we can sync most of our information locally, but not contacts and calendars.  Then again, I don't understand many of the really stupid things done by large corporations.

     

    Apple is not one for giving it's users choices, so I'm not going to hold my breath on their fixing this.

  • daus55 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Hi snozdop,

    several weeks ago (31.12.13, 3.23h) you wrote:

     

    "> enforced iCloud use

    For the billion and oneth time, YOU ARE NOT FORCED TO USE ICLOUD!

    iCloud is just one of at least half-a-dozen syncing services you can freely choose to use instead."

     

    Today I needed a Keynote Upgrade. It requires Mavericks. All alternatives to the iCloud sync are not userfriendly. Therefore I must decide between Mavericks/iCloud or Windows. Thanks to Apple. I did never expect that there would come the day for such a decision.

  • snozdop Level 5 Level 5 (5,800 points)

    Today I needed a Keynote Upgrade. It requires Mavericks.

     

    What does that have to do with the context of this thread, which is about syncing Contacts and Calendars?

     

    Yes, if you want to make use of iCloud file syncing features in iCloud apps, you obviously need to use iCloud. But this thread is specifically about syncing Contacts and Calendars to iOS devices in Mavericks. For that purpose, iCloud is only one of many choices you have.

     

    I did never expect that there would come the day for such a decision.

     

    You never expected that at some point, a particular software update may require a particular version of an OS to run on?

     

    Is this the first computer you've ever owned? Windows software updates frequently require specific versions of Windows too...

  • daus55 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Pleaselet me explain the logical chain: I need Mavericks if I need the Keynote Upgrade. If I use Mavericks I cannot sync my important data locally.

    Concerning your polemic that I could be surprised about a software update: That's not what I wrote. My concern is the decision about a system change.

     

    It would be easy for Apple to allow the local sync again.

  • snozdop Level 5 Level 5 (5,800 points)

    It would be easy for Apple to allow the local sync again.

     

    No, it wouldn't. Over two and a half years have passed since SyncServices was deprecated (Steve Jobs was still around back then, and obviously authorised, maybe even initiated, that decision) and the process to remove it from OS X began. You think Apple can just flip a switch to turn back the clock 30+ months and revert all the other OS changes that have occured related to this proprietary API removal? Not to mention all the changes to SyncServices that would be required to allow it to work reliably now and going forward in a multi-device world.

     

    If Apple truly believed that SyncServices was the right and best sync solution, what benefit to them would there be in devoting thousands of hours of development time into creating iCloud, using established industry-standard protocols? They would've just continued and expanded the development of SyncServices and saved themselves loads of time, effort and money.

     

    Time and time again, Apple have shown themselves to be able to accurately predict future trends in computing, and position themselves at the forefront of those changes, rather than react to them later.

     

    Many of Apple's decisions to obselete things have been percieved as being too early by some, but looking back have been the right decision, and other manufacturers have duly followed.

     

    In the case of local syncing, Apple were the last major mobile OS provider to offer native, local, USB syncing out-of-the-box built-in to their mobile OS. Clearly, they now believe the time is right to remove that option and match other mobile OSs offerings.

  • woody123456 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    So basically you are saying, Apple wont fix there mistakes?

    because they are Apple and they THINK they do now wrong??

     

    Maybe it is time for a change...!!

  • snozdop Level 5 Level 5 (5,800 points)

    Nope, I see you are yet another person who likes making things up that I have not said.

     

    Just because YOU think it is a mistake, doesn't mean it actually is. You are entitled to your opinion of course, and Apple are entitled to do whatever they like with THEIR operating system.

     

    If you don't agree, you are free to buy any mobile device you like. Just make sure it has the ability to sync locally before parting with your money, or investigate the compatibility and reliability of third-party local sync solutions.

  • null null416 Level 2 Level 2 (205 points)

    I think there is a big difference here that you are missing here - we purchased apple devices when functionality

    was exactly as we had wanted it to be and Apple then later decided to change that (which they are entitled to) - however Laws and Regulations to my country and Economic Zones and also the fact that political climates

    are subject to chaneg (see NSA revelations) - such movement is likely to violate laws, which than in-term

    puts me as a consumer in a position of being mislead by my Vendor. If the Vendor has rights, they must comply to our laws in the country they operate in;, imagine a European vendor or Chinese Vendor was doing the same

    in the USA (best example Huawei who was regulated out of any Governmet contracts in the USA).


    This is where technology and law meet, and we are entering a new world.

     

    On a constructive note: Any developers on here that can confirm if 10.9.2 Beta is fixing this?


    Thanks

     

    c

  • gumsie Level 4 Level 4 (2,150 points)

    As much as I'd like them to bring back local sync, (don't care what vehicle they use for it). I suspect that you are on a hiding to nothing here.

     

    If I'm reading you right, you're suggesting they removing the facility has misled people? I really hate to side with the shills and fanboys - no really I do - but I respectfully disagree and find it odd that your country, (Where is it by the way?), has or laws like this or plans to put them into effect. Are you sure you've interpreted them correctly?

  • ndawg Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    In the case of local syncing, Apple were the last major mobile OS provider to offer native, local, USB syncing out-of-the-box built-in to their mobile OS. Clearly, they now believe the time is right to remove that option and match other mobile OSs offerings.

    The hilarity continues snozdop. In a forum now exceeding 150 pages from people interested in local syncing, you continue to spout this nonsense.

     

    You must really hate the fact that people still use these luddite things called flash drives. You have no knowledge of Apple's thinking; that's what is such a red flag about this change - how it's happened under the radar rather than as a grand announcement about how the internet is more reliable than your local computer. Apple has not explained their thinking on this.

     

    You are entitled to your opinion of course, and Apple are entitled to do whatever they like with THEIR operating system.

     

    You have a funny way of showing that you think people who want to copy a couple phone numbers to their Mac without connecting to the internet or setting up a server are entitled to their opinion. Particularly since this isn't an opinion forum - that's the point of contacting Apple directly.

  • ndawg Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    FYI, here's an example of what I mean by under the radar. This is Apple summarizing info in plain English for people looking for how this stuff works:

     

    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1296

     

    iOS: How to transfer or sync content to your computer

     

    Learn how to configure sync in iTunes to transfer content between your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch and your computer. In addition to creating a backup, a sync with your computer allows you to manage contacts, calendars, and bookmarks on your computer.

     

    That article was last modified on December 28, 2013. Even if you read through the fine print and open the details, it doesn't say that Contacts can't sync in OS X 10.9. You have to know that Mavericks' omission from the list means it's not compatible.

  • peter_watt Level 3 Level 3 (905 points)

    That is what omission from a compatibility list generally means.

  • Armando Stettner Level 2 Level 2 (205 points)

    Typically, when one changes compatibilty from one version of something to the next, it is usually documented in an interim release as being depricated and soon to be not supported.

     

    I fail to see why this thread has turned into the bitter battle field it's become.

     

    I don't see why some need to bellitle others for their not wanting or accepting this change.  They have become caustic in their submisssions here.

     

    Again, suffice it to say that syncing across the Internet between two devices that sit side by side within inches of each other on the same desk is either unacceptable or inconvient for some people.  Others are fine with it and accept it.

     

    Nobody is arguing that Apple doesn't have the right to change their product in such a radical way when it would not have been overburdensome for them to offer the 'old' (and working relatively well) way for those that wish to continue.  Some just think it is a little inconsiderate of its customers to do so in the way Apple proceeded here.

     

    Moving away from the native apps (Calendar and Contacts) has the consequence of not allowing the integration with other iOS apps.

     

    Let's just move on.  Frankly, I see no reason for this thread to continue unless and until somebody comes up with a good way of syncing these native Apple apps.

     

      aps

  • petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (6,350 points)

    Unfortunately, it is not your thread.

     

    Cheers

     

    Pete

  • Armando Stettner Level 2 Level 2 (205 points)

    petermac87 wrote:

     

    Unfortunately, it is not your thread.

     

    Cheers

     

    Pete


    I'm not sure how to interpret your response; I don't think I even implied ownership...