Q: How to locally sync an iPhone with OS X Mavericks? iCloud is NOT an option.

I've got an iphone 5s for business use, and one 3GS for personal use.

I've got sensible datas on my iCalendar and Contacts.

I can't permit that these datas "fly" on the web.

For business, I'm abroad throughout europe, where the roaming costs are very high (icloud impossible)

Moreover, in many hotels there is no protected wi fi (i can't sync iCloud via Hotel Wi-fi: not secure)

Without local sync I'm not able to sync also my 3GS because I made the choice not to get a telephone contract with internet, because I use it only for personal calls.

So how cloud I sync the 2 phones?

More, I "feel" more secure when my own datas lay "near" me. (on my Mac Book).

Is that an unreasonable demand for Apple managers?

I  conclusion, I've got an intellectual "provocation" for Apple technicians and managers:

"Has Apple Inc. considered to back up their future projects of upcoming products i.e. : iPhone 6, iTv, next Imacs and so on.. , in a server that lays in South Korea?

Or Finland ;-),

Or in the town of Seattle? ;-))) "

imac_user_since_AppleII_in1982 wrote:

 

I  conclusion, I've got an intellectual "provocation" for Apple technicians and managers:

 

"Has Apple Inc. considered to back up their future projects of upcoming products i.e. : iPhone 6, iTv, next Imacs and so on.. , in a server that lays in South Korea?

Or Finland ;-),

Or in the town of Seattle? ;-))) "

Unfortunately, we cannot tell them for you. It is up to you to supply that feedback to Apple. We are only other users, many who agree and many who do not.

The link you require is here

FEEDBACK    http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

Good Luck

Pete

I agree totally. It was much better before. We should not be obliged to use icloud which is anyway not sooo good.

@petermac87

Hallo Pete !

Thanks for your advice.

I used the link you gave and worte to Apple.

Let's see...

Regards Fabio

(from Udine - Italy)

imac_user_since_AppleII_in1982 wrote:

 

@petermac87

 

Hallo Pete !

Thanks for your advice.

 

I used the link you gave and worte to Apple.

Let's see...

Regards Fabio

(from Udine - Italy)

You most likely will not hear back from them, but if enough people leave feedback about the loss of the feature, then who knows, they may give consideration to bringing it back one day. Meanwhile they have 320+ Million iCloud users to cater for.

But here's hoping

Pete

KiltedTim wrote:

 

I guess you'll be switching to something else then, eventually...

 

Why are people so paranoid about syncing contact and calendar information with a cloud service? If the people you know or your appointment schedule could really get you in that much trouble, you shouldn't even be using a cell phone, much less a smart phone... If you think information about you is secure just because you don't sync with a cloud service, you've been smoking some really good stuff...

It's not "paranoid" for example in the UK there is "The Data Protection Act" witch says that a persions data (like address or phonenumber) can not be keeped on a 3rd partys data storage system with out there express permision.  So you can see from this that data in an address book on a phone and backed-up or sync'ed with a computer can not be stored on a cloud system.  As for not using a "call phone, much less as smart phone...." I think that if you understand  this you will also bee looking into ways of keeping data as safe as posable like having password/systems in place on you phone.  I for one have a system that will remote erae data on my phone if lost or stolen.  There are other thinks that need doing as well.

TopSteve wrote:
It's not "paranoid" for example in the UK there is "The Data Protection Act" witch says that a persions data (like address or phonenumber) can not be keeped on a 3rd partys data storage system with out there express permision.  So you can see from this that data in an address book on a phone and backed-up or sync'ed with a computer can not be stored on a cloud system.

If it's your own, personal address book, it is exempt from the Data Protection Act and can be sync'd over iCloud.

-> http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/29/section/36

"Personal data processed by an individual only for the purposes of that individual’s personal, family or household affairs (including recreational purposes) are exempt from the data protection principles and the provisions of Parts II and III."

People like to cite stuff without having the slightest clue what tjhey are talking about...

Chris CA wrote:

 

TopSteve wrote:
It's not "paranoid" for example in the UK there is "The Data Protection Act" witch says that a persions data (like address or phonenumber) can not be keeped on a 3rd partys data storage system with out there express permision.   So you can see from this that data in an address book on a phone and backed-up or sync'ed with a computer can not be stored on a cloud system.

If it's your own, personal address book, it is exempt from the Data Protection Act and can be sync'd over iCloud.

-> http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/29/section/36

"Personal data processed by an individual only for the purposes of that individual’s personal, family or household affairs (including recreational purposes) are exempt from the data protection principles and the provisions of Parts II and III."

 

People like to cite stuff without having the slightest clue what tjhey are talking about...

First:  With the last sentance in your post  Chris CA are you saying that I did not have "..the slightest clue ......" WRONG!!! I did not say what the data is use for.  It may not be  "Individual/ family or household affairs".  My data may come under the "Data Protection Act" I am sorry I can't be clearer why.  I would ask people not to asome I have not checked things before I post.

Secound the list is has in it's tital "....iCloud is NOT an option" and I was making my point from that point of view (iCloud is NOT an option when the data involved and the uses for that data come's under the "Data Protection Act" or something of that nature or maybe the polices of a company or orginiation) for instance the Address book of a Dr, Dentised, Clinic, Theripist, Hospital or Other in the UK dose come under the DPA.

3rd:  These forums are not just limited the the Home user so all must be considered.

So my last post still stands even if it it just from the point of view that same data can not be tranfared by a 3rd party like Apple with there iCloud service.

TopSteve wrote:

First:  With the last sentance in your post  Chris CA are you saying that I did not have "..the slightest clue ......" WRONG!!! I did not say what the data is use for.

You simply stated, "for example in the UK there is "The Data Protection Act" witch says that a persions data (like address or phonenumber) can not be keeped on a 3rd partys data storage system with out there express permision"

This is incomplete.

You can keep you address book in iCloud.

You never stated if it was your work address book.

If it is yoru work info, let your work IT department handle how to sync this data. Also, this data is probably not allowed on yoru personal device.

Use MS Exchange or Mc OS X Server to sync the work data to your work device.

Topsteve, have you registered this confidential business data on your portable devices with the UK I.C.O?  If not then you need to do so immediately to be legal.

Assuming the data and the devices are registered with the ICO you are allowed to store and process the registered on any secure database (having added the storage method to the registration details) provided the server is in Europe. You just need to first ask Apple where the icloud servers are based for your Apple ID, If they assure its security and location you will have satisfied the Act in my opinion. (see link)

The act covers mostly access by the people on your database to the data if they request it, for it to be accurate, and for you not to sell it, lose it, or use it without their permission.

For your peace of mind this may help regarding data encryption.

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4865?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US

Chris CA wrote:

 

TopSteve wrote:

First:  With the last sentance in your post  Chris CA are you saying that I did not have "..the slightest clue ......" WRONG!!! I did not say what the data is use for.

You simply stated, "for example in the UK there is "The Data Protection Act" witch says that a persions data (like address or phonenumber) can not be keeped on a 3rd partys data storage system with out there express permision"

This is incomplete.

You can keep you address book in iCloud.

You never stated if it was your work address book.

If it is yoru work info, let your work IT department handle how to sync this data. Also, this data is probably not allowed on yoru personal device.

Use MS Exchange or Mc OS X Server to sync the work data to your work device.

"This in incomplete"  YES but do you realy think this forum is the right place for any one to give a complete outline of all the situations that may apply to this problem? I DON'T THINK SO. 

"You can keep........." NO I CAN NOT!!! there are a number of resions and I don't see why I need to explain them to find a way to sync data between devices without iCloud. It should be anoth for  users of this forum to know I can not, why it is so hard for some to just acept a simple statment with out questing every point.  As stated in my preavice posts I can not store my data with a 3rd party and even if I could I have iPhone 3G that can have problems with iCloud(I have not checked but I think iOS 4.2.1(the highest iOS this phone can use) can use iCloud even if I could use a 3rd party).

"You never stated..............." Not stating something dose not mean that it is or is not the case and this forum dose not need to know just acept that is I say I have resions I can not have my data on iCloud then I can not because any answer to sync'ing data without using iCloud is not relayent on what the data is used for.  The inportant point is I CAN"T USE iCloud and there are resions for that but the resions don't matter but to help I was giving an example.

"........IT departmet......" Maybe I am or I am not my IT department! You asome things again, iver way this the answers to Sync'ing with out iCloud is the same and we should be working on the answers.

"Use MS Exchange or OS X server" YES!!!!! AT LAST A GOOD ANSWER!  this is most probley the best answer and the one I have see befor and one I will be testing out.  I need to test if Notes on iOS 4.2.1 will sync with Notes of OSX 10.9 with a OS X server.  If this works then that would be the right answer for me and I have seen this else where.

peter_watt wrote:

 

Topsteve, have you registered this confidential business data on your portable devices with the UK I.C.O?  If not then you need to do so immediately to be legal.

 

Assuming the data and the devices are registered with the ICO you are allowed to store and process the registered on any secure database (having added the storage method to the registration details) provided the server is in Europe. You just need to first ask Apple where the icloud servers are based for your Apple ID, If they assure its security and location you will have satisfied the Act in my opinion. (see link)

 

The act covers mostly access by the people on your database to the data if they request it, for it to be accurate, and for you not to sell it, lose it, or use it without their permission.

 

For your peace of mind this may help regarding data encryption.

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4865?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US

Peter_watt

Very good advice but you asume:

I have not done what is requared.

-that what I was explaining was a example.

-that I live and work in the UK my first post says "for example" It should have sead hypertheticly (but I am dyslex.... and some words are harder for me than others.  I some times stat that I am dyslex... but often when I do I get a positave replays saying "Don't warrey about it" so I don't say it all the time.  This is also why Chris CA I don't give long explationations and expect and know that most people including you reading these forums have a good  brain.

As for registered with ICO yes your right and if I need to I will I will also have to check what the situation is in Greece "for example"  As for Apples iCloud data center   One is in "Maiden, North Carolina" and I would be supprised if there are any outside the US but I will check just out of intrest.

Finlay data-encryption  :-) This is something that intrests me gratley and I experment/program diffent forms.

Well said, and I agree with you totally. The key issue here is that Apple removed an instrinsic feature WITHOUT so much as warning those who blindly upgraded to Mavericks. And another interesting thing is that if you buy a machine with Mountain Lion pre-installed (Mac Mini's for one), and migrate your data to it from another backup, THE SETUP PROCESS AUTOMATICALLY UPDATES THE OPERATING SYSTEM TO MAVERICKS!!!!!! I know this because I've tried it twice, with two Mac Mini's. Even AppleCare was stumped at this development.

When i first called AppleCare about this removal, their response was simply "that's how we're doing it now!". If you could have heard my righteous indignation at this statement!

Needless to say, they were definitely alerted after this conversation. And, I've called and commented numerous times adding the the grass-roots build-up of indignation over this feature delete.

So, fellow posters, keep posting, don't move on! The length of this post thread is indicative to Apple of the problems they have created by doing this 'removal'.

And by all means, flood the apple 'feedback' thread with complaints! Only if we do this,will they consider the grave mistake they have made.

I, for one, fortunately, back up religiously. I was therefore able to restore Mountain Lion installs flawlessly using Time Machine backups.

Keep complaining to Apple, and they may go back to enabling this type of local usb sync.

http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

TopSteve wrote:

"This in incomplete"  YES but do you realy think this forum is the right place for any one to give a complete outline of all the situations that may apply to this problem? I DON'T THINK SO. 

So it's okay for you to make an incorrect, blanket statment (can't keep data in iCloud) but it's not okay for me to point out that this is incorrect?