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  • TopSteve Level 1 Level 1 (65 points)

    NO!!!!

     

    It is OK for any one including you and me to point out if something is incorrect. 

     

    Yes my statment is blanket  but diffint from the one you put in the "(....)"  The inportant words you missed are "I" and "MY" so the blanket statment I made and make is "I! can't keep MY data in iCloud" and this is NOT! incorrect one 4 points.

     

    1) Just because my statment is incomplete dose not make it a blanket statment.  To be a blanket statment it would have to cover all forms and situations and quite clearly it is not.  

     

    2) Only I can make the jugement that, I can or can not do someting.  Yes any one can store any data in/on the iCloud but if I juge that the data can not be stored on/in the iCloud.

     

    3) It may be posable for data to be stored on/in iCloud but if that data is on the Notepad on a iPhone 3G and has not been sync'ed to my Macbook Pro befor the upgrade to OSX 10.9 then without manualy copying(typeing) it I know of no way to get it from my iPhone to the iCloud even if it was data that I juge can be stored on/in iCloud. 

     

    4) May I ask why is it so inportant for you to try and convince me that I can use iCloud? 

  • petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (5,510 points)

    TopSteve wrote:

     

     

    4) May I ask why is it so inportant for you to try and convince me that I can use iCloud? 

    Anybody can use iCloud. 320 Million people do.

     

    Nobody HAS to use iCloud. Some use the options mentioned numerous times through this post.

     

    Others live in hope of local sync returning while it seems to be the way all platforms and devices are heading towards. That is why there are alternatives. It just depends on whether you are willing to accept them or not.

     

    Cheers

     

    Pete

  • TopSteve Level 1 Level 1 (65 points)

    petermac87 wrote:

     

    TopSteve wrote:

     

     

    4) May I ask why is it so inportant for you to try and convince me that I can use iCloud? 

    Anybody can use iCloud. 320 Million people do.

     

    Nobody HAS to use iCloud. Some use the options mentioned numerous times through this post.

     

    Others live in hope of local sync returning while it seems to be the way all platforms and devices are heading towards. That is why there are alternatives. It just depends on whether you are willing to accept them or not.

     

    Cheers

     

    Pete

    Thanks for answering my replay to Chris CA.  asomeing the word you (Petermac87) use "Anybody" includes me As you smeem so well informed then lets expand on the point you make.

     

    How do I(Anybody) use iCloud?  knowing that I have a iPhone 3G (I have stated this in older posts)

     

    Yes there are alternatives but I have yeat toi get any of them to work where there USB cable sync worked very well.  I will be trying the OS X server option and report back but i can't try this until next sunday (16th/2/14).  But installing and running a server I don't think is best thing.

     

    As for living in hope......  Computers should be there to make our life easer and as my life was easy sync'ing with a USB cable and now that option has been removed by the makers of the Mac and iDevices, installing OSX server seems to be the answer this is making my life harder to do someting I could do befor with the same hardwere this is not what I think computers are here to do.  So it is right to ask for the return of something that made our(the people who have older iDevices like the iPhone 3G) lifes easy.  Ofcaluse the use of Apples Feedback sites is a good place to ask for this.  It is also good for people who are having problems with using a service to use this forums and not to be put down for that (sorry Pete you last paragraph douse sound a bit like "like it or lump it" or "Its the way it is be happy". 

  • petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (5,510 points)

    TopSteve wrote:

     

    As for living in hope......  Computers should be there to make our life easer and as my life was easy sync'ing with a USB cable and now that option has been removed by the makers of the Mac and iDevices, installing OSX server seems to be the answer this is making my life harder to do someting I could do befor with the same hardwere this is not what I think computers are here to do.  So it is right to ask for the return of something that made our(the people who have older iDevices like the iPhone 3G) lifes easy.  Ofcaluse the use of Apples Feedback sites is a good place to ask for this.  It is also good for people who are having problems with using a service to use this forums and not to be put down for that (sorry Pete you last paragraph douse sound a bit like "like it or lump it" or "Its the way it is be happy".

    You are simply repeating yourself Ad Nauseam.

     

    Tell Apple 

    FEEDBACK    http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

     

    There is nothing we can do about it. Even as long as this thread 'appears' to be, 80% of it is either repetitivness or off topic.

     

    Either tell Apple or try to use one of the options mentioned.

     

    Pete

  • TopSteve Level 1 Level 1 (65 points)

    So Pete you post an answer a replay to someone elses post, then when there is a replay to your post asking a question of you. As your post serjests you are knoligeble on the subject You with the statment "You are simply repeating yourself Ad Nauseam"   Insted of the ture "You can not" and I tack a bet that you find it hard to say that because that would mean that the statment you made "Anybody can use iCloud." is not ture for Anybody with a 3G iPhone.

     

    "There is nothing we can do about it." Defeatest!!!

     

    May be there are some Mac programmers here who could work on a 3rd party answer to the problem of Sync without iCloud (on topic).  I would give it a go but I'm not good with object ortated or OS X programming.  What I do know is that the Notes app on the iPhone uses SQLite so we need a program that reads the database on the iPhone and writes it to the database on OSX.

  • petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (5,510 points)

    TopSteve wrote:

     

    So Pete you post an answer a replay to someone elses post, then when there is a replay to your post asking a question of you. As your post serjests you are knoligeble on the subject You with the statment "You are simply repeating yourself Ad Nauseam"   Insted of the ture "You can not" and I tack a bet that you find it hard to say that because that would mean that the statment you made "Anybody can use iCloud." is not ture for Anybody with a 3G iPhone.

     

    "There is nothing we can do about it." Defeatest!!!

     

    May be there are some Mac programmers here who could work on a 3rd party answer to the problem of Sync without iCloud (on topic).  I would give it a go but I'm not good with object ortated or OS X programming.  What I do know is that the Notes app on the iPhone uses SQLite so we need a program that reads the database on the iPhone and writes it to the database on OSX.

    It's all been mentioned. Ad Nauseam. Do something about it instead of complaining and wanting everybody else to do it for you. These are troubleshooting forums. Your technical options have been well documented.

     

    Good Luck

     

    Pete

  • Chris CA Level 9 Level 9 (77,230 points)

    TopSteve wrote:

     

    I do know is that the Notes app on the iPhone uses SQLite so we need a program that reads the database on the iPhone and writes it to the database on OSX.

    No need to write anything.

    OS X Server ($20).

  • Chatajack Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    There may well be 300+ million users with iCloud / Apple IDs (they are one in the same) BUT that in no way means, by any stretch of the imagination, that they are in away close to being active iCloud users!!  Thus the reason that the justification for the cut by Apple and reinstatement of local sync is in valid.

     

    There is a big difference and let me see if I can humbly try and explain this. 

     

    There are more people living OUTSIDE of the USA and / or North America as a whole then in the USA and / or North America.

     

    There are many more people not willing to be vocal on such a forum as this but maintain a keen eye on this thread who cannot, will not, may not wish to use iCloud or any other such 'cloud' or external server.

     

    The number of existing iCloud / Apple IDs are very skewed.

     

    The preverbal you may not understand but persons living outside of the US and North America tend to have multiple iCloud / Apple IDs.  Using myself as an example: I have 12.  Yes that is right I have 12 and I am one person.  Why so many?  Good question.  I have lived in multiple countries in my life and therefore have a very varied interest in music.  No, not every piece of music is on iTunes USA due to copy right and vs.  Therefore the creation of multiple accounts is necessary.

     

    To those of the preverbal you that pass disparaging remarks on about those of us whom must work within the confines of local sync due to international privacy laws and or personal choice is what this forum is about.  Truly it is not for the preverbal you to be implying that we must suck it up and use iCloud.  We have the right to our personal choices and those that may govern us in this age of technology.

     

    Living within the USA you are not restricted to the same extent of those of us living outside the USA.  But that does not mean that we need to be forced to us the cloud because that is where technology says we must go.  You have an inalienable right to store that data where and when we please, when taking in to consideration governing rules and regulations.  That is why it is called intellectual property.

     

    Yes we could all go out and purchase the OSX Server that has been suggested but again, why should we.  You still need an intranet set up.  This does not work for the many, though like other options suggested on here they may work for some.   I for one set up the server ‘B’ (sorry correct spelling not available) as suggested at the beginning of this thread but had to delete it. 

     

    I am now, with the assistance of Apple down grading to Mountain Lion.  What a task that has been.  But it is possible!!!!

     

    Was Apple within their right to take local sync out?  Yes.

    Did Apple realize the world wide implications that it would have?  Obviously not.

    Will Apple put it back? We can all continue to HOPE and send in the Feedback.

     

    Please stop with the indignation that those of you feel justified in passing on to others.  Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. 

     

    Mine is:  I want local sync back!!

  • TopSteve Level 1 Level 1 (65 points)

    Chatajack I agree.  Just one small point.

     

    "Yes we could all go out and purchase the OSX Server that has been suggested but again, why should we.  You still need an intranet set up."

     

    You don't need a internet setup to run a server at home once you have it downloaded/installed, but you need some uderstanding of the admin/setup of a server.  I will try this next weekend. 

  • petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (5,510 points)

    Chatajack wrote:

     

    Mine is:  I want local sync back!!

    I don't what else we can advise here than has already been documented. All your arguements are stale in this thread.

     

    FEEDBACK    http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

     

    That is your only other option.

     

    Pete

  • Chatajack Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    petermac87 wrote:

    'Anybody can use iCloud. 320 Million people do.'

     

    Though you are exceptionally knowledgeable, as per your level 4 standing, you missed my point and many other peoples. 

     

    Thank you though for your helpful imput through out this thread.

  • petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (5,510 points)

    You are most welcome.

     

    Pete

  • Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (40,610 points)

    There may well be 300+ million users with iCloud / Apple IDs (they are one in the same)

    Wrong on line 1, what a bad start.

     

    All iCloud ID's are Apple ID's but all Apple ID's are not iCloud ID's

  • imac_user_since_AppleII_in1982 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    @Catajack

    I totally agree with you.

     

    I'd like to add, that the fact that 300 mil of people do so or, that 1 mil people do so.. and so on, is, according to my opinion, one argomentation without valid motivation.(i.e. technical )

     

    That's why in the past when I decided to use for my job my personal Mac Book instead a windows based computer supplied from the company, (- may be because "I'm different"...? - ), the IT director asked me:

     

    "Why don't you want to use a Windows based computer ?

    Everybody do that ! "

     

    And I answered: "I'm not "everybody"!

     

    Fabio

  • BobinStanmore Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Not sure if this is the right thread but the advent of Mavericks meant that I could no longer use iSync to sync contacts in Outlook 2011 for Mac with my Nokia C3-01 (S40 platform).  I had already had to retrieve iSync when it was dropped from Lion in the move to Mountain Lion.  Now with Apple having removed the underlying code in OSX which made all this work, I have not been able to sync my contacts for 4 months.

     

    My hope was that the new SyncMate 5 software from Eltima would solve the problem.  However, I have just read a statement from them that SyncMate 5, when it becomes available, will NOT support synchronisation with the Nokia S40 platform.

     

    If anyone has got any ideas of how to resolve this, I would be glad to hear.  At the moment the prospect is that I am going to have to enter data in my Nokia phone mamually (or bite the bullet an buy an iPhone which I don't really want to do).

     

    Bob