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  • Matt Schultz Level 1 Level 1 (55 points)

    TopSteve wrote:

     

    One of my older posts explain my atempts to fix this using OSX server and I still need to do the update to server see if I can fix it.

     

    As for arguing for argments sake. it's not for argments sake.  Some times inorder to come up with an answer to a problem " How to locally sync an iPhone with OSX Maverics? iCloud is not an option." it is usafull to have a hypothetical situation where this definlay is the case.  So answers can be explored and perhaps new answers can be thought of.

    Hypothetically, you can switch to Windows 7 or 8, and keep your iPhone. While Apple deprecated the Mac, they continue to support USB local sync in Windows.

     

    So you can sync your iPhone with Outlook, and have everything in your calendar & contacts at your fingertips.

     

    This is what our company did, and so far, it's been working quite well.

     

    Good luck and best wishes for a quick and easy solution! :-)

  • peter_watt Level 3 Level 3 (905 points)

    I posted this before and it was redacted, but I will try again.

    The company who makes your alternative hardware has a new CEO who was formerly head of their cloud division. His vision is the same as Apple's and that of the other big player.  We will see how much longer non-cloud sync continues on Windows. 

  • Matt Schultz Level 1 Level 1 (55 points)

    It will continue for quite some time I would imagine. Microsoft is pretty good about long-term support... typically, they do not deprecate themselves in terms of supporting application and hardware interfaces across many versions and years. To change that company mantra and DNA would indeed be a shock, and would most likely cause the stock to drop.

  • peter_watt Level 3 Level 3 (905 points)

    They need a quantum leap. Their new CEO was not chosen at random. 

  • petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (6,350 points)

    They use Apples iTunes. And only with the features Apple supply with the windows version. Their 'Mantra' has already cost them billions with poor releases.

     

    Pete

  • Matt Schultz Level 1 Level 1 (55 points)

    Here's another benefit we've noticed: when we would put our Macs to sleep but forget to shut off the printers (like, everyday pretty much), when we would shut off the printers an interrupt would cascade to Mac OS X & wake up the machine. This of course is in violation of the USB spec.


    Shutting off a printer should in no way impact the OS on a host computer. But...

     

    On a Windows machine, this doesn't happen.

  • petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (6,350 points)

    Please stay even partially on topic if possible.

     

    Thanks

     

    Pete

  • jayv. Level 4 Level 4 (1,230 points)

    petermac87 wrote:

     

    Please stay even partially on topic if possible.

     

    We're about 150 pages too late for that

  • petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (6,350 points)

    Touché

  • Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (43,170 points)

    Matt Schultz wrote:

     

     


    Shutting off a printer should in no way impact the OS on a host computer. But...

     

    On a Windows machine, this doesn't happen.

    Doesn't happen on any of my Macs either, you have a local problem.

  • TopSteve Level 1 Level 1 (65 points)

    Matt Schultz wrote:

     

    Here's another benefit we've noticed: when we would put our Macs to sleep but forget to shut off the printers (like, everyday pretty much), when we would shut off the printers an interrupt would cascade to Mac OS X & wake up the machine. This of course is in violation of the USB spec.


    Shutting off a printer should in no way impact the OS on a host computer. But...

     

    On a Windows machine, this doesn't happen.

    I think this needs a new list/discussion starting or searching for.  As the problem here is not a problem with the USB connection or the printer. 

     

    It is down to the fact that Apple have removed "SyncServices" from Mavericks.  The decision to remove the "SyncServices" and move to sync'ing by iCloud was tacking before 10.7.

     

    Apple's thinking(there is a article on the web where this is quoted, sorry I don't have the link to hand) was that tackup of the iCloud services, would make local sync obsolete buy the relase of Mavericks.  So it was plained to remove it, from Mavericks and that is where we are now. 

     

    Mavericks with out local sync, esp with Notes.  We now have to relay on Apple's iCloud (as we did with MobilMe and look what happen to that.  How meany years before iCloud go's the same way) or we use a 3rd party like google/yahoo for Calendars and Addresses or installing the OSX server(I'll tell you how that go's for me on sunday)  I think there are about 6 options but there all are a move away from the Apple's idea of it just works.

     

     

    P.S. to thouse who painic about me using a spell checker I DID.

     

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  • Matt Schultz Level 1 Level 1 (55 points)

    TopSteve wrote:

     

    I think there are about 6 options but there all are a move away from the Apple's idea of it just works.

    That's the main issue for us & it's why we had to change our formula. We have painfully experienced how Apple's internet services sector "just works." In fact, it hasn't worked very well at all for a decade.

     

    It's most likely WHY the company decided to keep the deprecation of Mac OS X and the force-feeding of iCloud a secret in Mavericks. Revealing could have impacted the adoption rate. Better to have kept your trap shut.

     

    We used iCloud for 4 weeks and had more issues with it's functionality and bullying than we ever had with local sync over 17-19 years. It was always local sync that just worked. Lost data, massive duplication, slow response, freezing of handhelds, syncing on it's own schedule & not not ours... these were all hallmarks of iCloud. Our first 4-1/2 hours of experience with iCloud was replacing the lost data from everyone's address book with the data from our backup drives.

     

    The moronic claims of "320 million" iCloud users is plainly absurd. A billion flies love s**t, doesn't mean you will, too :-)

     

    Look, the internet is total c**p. Unless you like photos of kittens. Hackers have shown over and over again that nothing is secure, nothing is safe, and nothing works as advertised. While this should be enough to send most people fleeing in terror, it's not the worst part of this equation. Apple's very awful historical efforts starting with Mac.com & MobileMe  and proceeding to iCloud puts the company squarely at the forefront of lousy internet service providers. Numero Uno. The. Worst. Ever. They do a lot of things really well, fantastically well - but this is not one of them.

     

    iCloud and 'just works' do not belong in the same sentence...

  • snozdop Level 5 Level 5 (5,800 points)

    A billion flies love s**t, doesn't mean you will, too :-)

     

    And just because you couldn't get iCloud to work for you, doesn't automatically mean everybody experiences the same things you have. You ≠ everyone.

     

    Somehow, I've found myself as the 'go to" tech support person for all my Apple product owning friends and family, and I can truthfully tell you that only one of 20+ people I've personally had dealings with, has had problems with iCloud. And that was due to his misunderstanding of what it did and how it did it. Took me all of 20 minutes to sort it out for him.

     

    All of them love iCloud. For them it works perfectly. The fact that they no longer have to physically connect their phone to their computer just to transfer whatever data they've added/updated since the last sync, is a huge plus for them. Going back to a tethered sync process would be like going back to using floppy disks.

     

    Yes, I know there are some people with valid concerns over security or not having ubquitous internet access, but your complaints seem to be solely based on you being unable to get it to work.

     

    So, don't be fooled into thinking your personal experiences with iCloud are the same as everybodys.

     

    The moronic claims of "320 million" iCloud users is plainly absurd.

     

    And what evidence do you have to support your claim? I've yet to see any. However, here are some links from reputable news sources that do corroborate the 300+ million iCloud users, plus some that show the number of users rising historically:

     

     

    I'd be happy to see your links to reputable sources that can disprove those figures. (Note that these figures are quite a few months out of date, so the actual figure now is going to be higher. 11 million new users per month is quoted in one of those links.)

  • Chris CA Level 9 Level 9 (77,850 points)

    Matt Schultz wrote:

    blah, blah. blah

    You can no longer sync contacts & calendars using iTunes with Mavericks.

  • gumsie Level 4 Level 4 (2,150 points)

    snozdop wrote:

    The moronic claims of "320 million" iCloud users is plainly absurd.

     

    And what evidence do you have to support your claim? I've yet to see any.

    Are you sure. Do some research and you'll see there's a difference between 'accounts' and 'users'. I believe Apple stated the number was accounts. I think forum fanbois said it was users.