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Oct 29, 2013 2:29 AM in response to Gerrit7by zaphod42,@snozdop
I think there is a big difference using Facebook and iCloud: on Facebook I am not forced to share information and it is my free will and responsibility to do so and knowing the consequences.
on iCloud I am forced to share my information and have no choice anymore as a Mac user that is up to date with the OS.
NSA makes backups and I am sure has already all your personal information from iCloud stored on their HD's ... lets hope that none of your contacts will ever do something silly!
figuring out an alternative to iCloud, I am setting up "ownCloud" on my NAS. Ironically I don't manage to get the cardDAV account to work in Maverick and I am not a noob .... there seems to be a bug ... how strange!
also my first generation iPod that I love nostalgically does not sync anymore. but I guess the goal behind all of this is to get rid of all your old devices and to buy new ones ... and of corse share all your private information.
what happened to privacy? isn't it part of the fundamental rights?!
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Oct 29, 2013 2:58 AM in response to shoot_meby RobertCailliau,"we should stop judging others altogether" : yes indeed.
Those of us who want to sync non-iOS devices, and/or do not want to use the iCloud, have only their opinions as an argument.
Plan of action: agreed, all four points.
Very good. (oops... was that a judgement? ;-) )
Technical: from what I understand it would be easy for Apple to include the calDAV and cardDAV servers as standard. Much in the way the Apache web server is there. In OSX earlier than 10.7 there was even a simple checkmark in the system preferences sharing panel to switch the web server on and off. Could be the same for calDAV/cardDav.
Once those servers are back, it is easy for third party developers to provide local syncing with non-iOS devices.
So we should probably suggest that in feedback to Apple.
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Oct 29, 2013 6:03 AM in response to RobertCailliauby itanimulli,In all likelihood this is a stategic decision by Apple to push users into the "cloud" so I would not expect them to yield to any protests here. Perhaps if you are a shareholder you can call investor relations and tell them you think this decision is bad for the stock price.
Anyhow, you can run your own calendar and contacts server on your Mac which is 100% compatible with Calendar and Contacts. There is a guide here: http://www.ronregev.com/misc/pim_server_tutorial/
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Oct 29, 2013 6:09 AM in response to itanimulliby jonfromdaleville,I'll just throw my two cents into this conversation just because I like to be devil's advocate. In 5 years or so no one will use local storage much. This is how technology works. Things move forward. I remember everyone complaining when they no longer included 3.5" floppy drives. When they no longer included disc drives (last years new iMacs.) Tecnology is moving forward, I'm sorry you don't trust it, but you will be left behind holding stacks of 3.5" floppy discs. Technology won't go backwards and wait on you to catch up.
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Oct 29, 2013 6:45 AM in response to jonfromdalevilleby Gerrit7,jonfromdaleville wrote:
I'll just throw my two cents into this conversation just because I like to be devil's advocate. In 5 years or so no one will use local storage much.
So you think... But unless there are serious advances in speed (must come close to a HD) and security (must only be accessible by the owner of the data, no exceptions) for cloud storage, I don't see it taking off for anything but small, unimportant things like a shopping list or a throwaway photograph you send someone.
Floppies died out because what we currently have is way faster, bigger and more reliable. Current cloud storage means going backwards in that respect. Especially combined with data caps on mobile and DSL plans plus slow uplinks on DSL data storage in the cloud is NoGo and a good USB stick is hard to beat in bandwidth for data transfer.
Especially with wireless, the throughput possible is limited since it's a shared medium. Go to a large gathering and see what throughput you get there, if any.
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Oct 29, 2013 7:43 AM in response to jonfromdalevilleby Z001,jonfromdaleville wrote:
I'll just throw my two cents into this conversation just because I like to be devil's advocate. In 5 years or so no one will use local storage much. This is how technology works. Things move forward. I remember everyone complaining when they no longer included 3.5" floppy drives. When they no longer included disc drives (last years new iMacs.) Tecnology is moving forward, I'm sorry you don't trust it, but you will be left behind holding stacks of 3.5" floppy discs. Technology won't go backwards and wait on you to catch up.
Interesting article here: http://www.cloudcomputing-news.net/news/2013/oct/02/wozniak-i-am-fan-cloud-lets- not-go-all-yet/
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Oct 29, 2013 7:45 AM in response to snozdopby AndyD,@snozdop
Yeah, except Facebook has only two pieces of information about me.
1. A nickname
2. An email address that I set up just for Facebook.
My Facebook info is a dead end and it is closed to all but friends and I have no (none a all) Facebook friends, nothing stored on Facebook. So for me, Facebook is safer than iCloud. I use facebook just so I can look at things on Facebook that require an account.
Andy
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Oct 29, 2013 8:17 AM in response to AndyDby brollyjohn,So right. Comparing facebook to cloud syncing is hilarious. But adding facebook data with apple address book data preened from the icloud is a hacker data goldmine.
Notice that a lot of people with relevant points on this apple discussion board have less than 100points? How are these points earned?
Oh I know, say "Just use icloud".
Dear apple,
Fix this 65cm cable. It doesn't work now but it worked when I bought my phone.
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Oct 29, 2013 8:43 AM in response to boglottby EA,Running your own OSX Server does not solve the problem for people with old devices (iphone 3g, original iPad).
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Oct 29, 2013 8:48 AM in response to Think twiceby EA,Think twice wrote:
Ok I wasn't going to read through all the threads so sorry if this is a repeat solution, but I found a website called securityspread.com and the guy used the new OSX server ($19.99) on mavericks to sync locally all the contacts and calenders. I would hope Apple would bring the local sync feature back and I have complained but it does comeback I think this is the only option. I hope this helps even thought you do have to dish out some cash
This does not solve the problem for those who have older devices and can't afford to buy a new one. (I still have an iPhone 3g and a 2007 MacBook Pro).
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Oct 29, 2013 8:49 AM in response to Matt Schultzby EA,Time to switch to windows???
Matt Schultz wrote:
brollyjohn wrote : Ironic that Local sync still works on windows computers and not with macs.
Exactly.
Why should the Mac be crippled while Windows retains full iTunes functionality?As a Mac user, doesn't that infuriate you? If not, why the **** not?
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Oct 29, 2013 9:00 AM in response to brollyjohnby Meg St._Clair,brollyjohn wrote:
Notice that a lot of people with relevant points on this apple discussion board have less than 100points? How are these points earned?
Points are awarded to a user by the original poster of a thread when they decide a post has been helpful or solved their problem.
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Oct 29, 2013 9:11 AM in response to EAby AndyD,Quote
This does not solve the problem for those who have older devices and can't afford to buy a new one. (I still have an iPhone 3g and a 2007 MacBook Pro).
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This is correct. The only thing we can do is stay with 10.8.5 and iTunes 10.7. And I do not intend to buy new devices until I have a means of local/USB sync and complete local control of my data. This is in no way intended as a threat, it is just my cautiousness. As soon as I find a solution I like I will be purchasing, but not until then... I will wait. All of my computers are Mavericks capabile, my iPhones are capabile of using iCloud syncing, the only thing not capabile is my 1st gen iPad which I was going to replace until all htis came up. I was also going to replace my iMac, and 2 iPhones and 2 iPads. But for now I wait.
My hope now is that a third party will see this as an opportunity and make an easy solution. I know server is a solution, but I am not sure I am ready to jump into the deep end of the pool just yet.
I am starting to feel that this thread is a "fools errand" as I have only seen significant reports of the problem here and on MacIntouch. I have not seen any reports on any of the other online Mac media sites of our concerns about the loss of local/USB sync.
I will still partticipate and read as I hope something will come of it. I have sent my concerns to Apple and I hope others continue to do the same.
Andy
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Oct 29, 2013 9:06 AM in response to EAby KiltedTim,EA wrote:
This does not solve the problem for those who have older devices and can't afford to buy a new one. (I still have an iPhone 3g and a 2007 MacBook Pro).
If you still have a 3G, then don't update to Mavericks. Problem solved... Obviously, you don't have an issue with not staying up to day, so how would this be a problem for you?
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Oct 29, 2013 9:08 AM in response to Gerrit7by jonfromdaleville,I can agree there must be advances before it completely takes over, but sooner than later it will in most regards. Data caps are basically only enforced in the US for the most part. A lot of companies big medium and small use cloud storage now for their most important data. The reasons why? It's usually cheaper than buying a database for themselves. The host usually backs up to several physical locations to ensure a backup incase something happens. Things are already moving that direction and Apple once again, jumps ship when they see fit.