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  • peter_watt Level 3 (910 points)

    Nobody in the tin foil hat society should even think about Google.

  • Yule Level 1 (5 points)

    Yes it is!


    Although the encryption is difficult to break it is not impossible. No encryption scheme is unbreakable. The amount of effort that is worth putting into breaking a system is proportional to the value of the content of the data encrypted. Elswhere on this thread are some estimates of how many people are in iCLoud - I suggest that all that data is now worth billions. Is it worth someone spending tens of millions breaking access? HAs it already been done.


    Remeber that breaking a code is not simply a matter of crunching all the possbilities. In 1976 we learned that the unbreakable Enigma code was being read by Bletchly park in England all through WWII. Part of the secret is to use cribs. Cribs are easy to find in the cloud because we already know what some of the content is (we put it there). In addition there might be another Edward Snowden or an Aplple employee in need of a few million.


    No Cloud is safe.


    No server is safe.


    Apple MUST return local sync to those of us who need or wish to keep our data confidential.

  • peter_watt Level 3 (910 points)

    Why would anyone spend time busting 128bit encrypted bookmarks?



  • jackm831 Level 1 (85 points)

    actaully icloud has is two times more secure, meaning it is 256 bit encryption

  • Yule Level 1 (5 points)

    I am more concerned about Contacts and Calendars but I suspect that marketing organizations would like to know my browsing habits as well so they would find my bookmarks of value.


    My philosophy is to put nothing in any cloud because it is not safe.


    That means that local sync is important and I would like Apple to put back what it had no good reason to take away.

  • peter_watt Level 3 (910 points)

    Yes. Certainly icloud keychain is 256.

    I have a dataset in icloud containing all my bank details and passwords. I am quite comfortable that crooks cant access it and the government probably knows whatever it wants already.


    The Enigma machine was cracked after they captured one from Gerry along with a user instruction book. That helped along with prewar work by Polish boffins. Bletchley then needed to crack the day codes and keep schtum. Also neighbouring Wavendon Towers needed to spread lies and counterespionage about what was known. A bit like this thread.

    Spending a day crunching numbers to save ships is not the same as looking for xtac02's bookmarks. Nobody will bother.

  • peter_watt Level 3 (910 points)

    Yule, yes, but i was talking about Xtac01s post. I still disagree about the risk level and the politics.

  • gumsie Level 4 (2,155 points)

    James, the actual Sync process itself.


    Assuming you have your iDevice plugged in to your computer for charging purposes. WiFi is on, a network is available and allow syncing over Wifi is selected. iTunes is running of course.


    The actual process to sync Music, Movies, Contacts and Calendars can't just be to click Sync?

  • imac_user_since_AppleII_in1982 Level 1 (0 points)

    I don't know if I'm alone or not, but since the Apple betryal of trust, consisting in removing local contact and calendar sync, without any expicit comunication and withot giving to the customers any alternative, caused me to be so skeptikal, that I don't allow any upgrade anymore

    (i.e IPhone Os 7.04) or in Itunes 11.1.4 for I Os X 16.6.8 .....


    I've trusted this company since 1982, I've supperted it beeing a free evagelist of Apple phylosophy, "bringing to conversion" many friends and relatives from "uindozz" to Apple, but now I'm very, very sad..


    I think it's time to get dressed and have a shower.

  • peter_watt Level 3 (910 points)

    There may be one or two like you, but ignoring updates can be very insecure. If you don't accept 7.0.6 for example you are dangerously open to wifi hotspot hacking via a hole in SSL that was recently discovered.

  • gumsie Level 4 (2,155 points)

    I see the point you are making Peter and generally it is a very good one. However not ignoring updates can also have that same effect.

    I'm running ML and guess what? No problem. It understand that the problem affects OSX too, (please verify for yourself if you can), yet is confined to Mavericks, so I would have been susceptible had I not ignored the update too.


    That said, iMac_user_since_AppleII_in1982 if you clone your drive before any updates you can likely go right back to where you were before the trouble started.

  • imac_user_since_AppleII_in1982 Level 1 (0 points)

    Very good.... !!


    Another good reason to keep my datas on my personal computer and not let them syncing with i Cloyd..

  • gumsie Level 4 (2,155 points)

    Except, you will be connected to the net even if not using iCloud surely? Just don't take things too far, a computer is only truly safe if it has not network connections at all, or accepts any external media.


    At that point it becomes almost useless.

  • imac_user_since_AppleII_in1982 Level 1 (0 points)

    I only meant that Apple has officialy admitted that it's system is not 100% secure..


    Why should I trust my personal datas we'll be secure in a server in Cupertino? (or anywhere else?)..


    Less opportuneiteis that my datas fly in the web, less risks I have.

    I understand I cann't get the total security.

  • gumsie Level 4 (2,155 points)

    Ok. Point taken.