Q: How to locally sync an iPhone with OS X Mavericks? iCloud is NOT an option.

Tim. Quick and possibly stupid question.

I'm buying a mini online today. Now usually you can't run an OS older than that which the computer came with. In this instance though as the Mini hasn't undergone any change since June '12 I can downgrade to ML if it turns out that it ships with Mavericks, whadda ya think?

Let us know how that works out for you.

peter_watt wrote:

 

There may be one or two like you, but ignoring updates can be very insecure. If you don't accept 7.0.6 for example you are dangerously open to wifi hotspot hacking via a hole in SSL that was recently discovered.

The SSL/TLS hole covers the entire OS (including iOS 6 & apparently OS X), not just wifi so you can get exploited on rogue cellular connections too (yes they do exist).

You can also be 'man in the middle'd on the internet, which is why the NSA relies on the fact that the majority of international traffic gets routed via the US.

This fix may also cover iCloud because many parts work over SSL - which this bug shows has been broken on iOS 7, iOS 6 & OS X for how long?

Lets just hope that all iCloud sync data was encrypted before it left the device via SSL, otherwise many of the exclamations here about how secure iCloud is could be wrong.

Apple make it impossible for users to stay on older iOS versions and install new fixes - I can't install ANY iOS 6 updates because the device supports iOS 7.

Apple are becoming more controlling and providing less user choice. This iOS 6.1.6 security update isn't released for the iPhone 5, 4S or 4, do we just assume they don't have the flaw because they could run iOS 7?!

How very unhelpful of you Csound1, sometimes it's best to say nothing at all.

gumsie, check your local sales regulations, you may have 'distance selling rules' that allow returns within xx days, it would also be worth reading the sellers returns policy.

I'd check mactracker.ca and everymac.com, if you inspect the barcodes the model number should be visible on the box & you can see if that model historically supported 10.8.x & cross your fingers as you break the seal.

I would also download 10.8 on another Mac in case the store tries to foist 10.9 onto that machine.

If what you say is true you might be safer installing ios7, or is there some moral issue with that? Reset to factory first and you will have no problems.

Nice, ta. I've just looked at the store ad a little closer and I think I'll be fine. It actually says it comes with ML so if it does in fact arrive with 10.9 I can return it on that basis alone as their advertising was wrong.

It's John Lewis and their customer service is usually excellent. Got a three year warranty to boot.

Try it and let us know how it works. No reason it shouldn't.

Drew Reece wrote:

 

How very unhelpful of you Csound1,

What are you talking about?

peter_watt wrote:

 

If what you say is true you might be safer installing ios7, or is there some moral issue with that? Reset to factory first and you will have no problems.

No moral issue. I simply prefer iOS 6 to 7.

I'm also unwilling to install any early generation OS that cannot be reverted without having to use hacks from the community that Apple wants to erase from existence.

Csound1 wrote:

Drew Reece wrote:

 

How very unhelpful of you Csound1,

What are you talking about?

gumsie asked a simple question…

gumsie wrote:

In this instance though as the Mini hasn't undergone any change since June '12 I can downgrade to ML if it turns out that it ships with Mavericks, whadda ya think?

You directly replied…

Csound1 wrote:

Let us know how that works out for you.

That doesn't seem helpful in any way and it borders on antagonism, I stand by my comment…

Drew Reece wrote:

 

…sometimes it's best to say nothing at all.

You may not care how or whether it works but I do.

Thanks for your opinion, as useful as usual.

Lewis's, I'm assuming you are UK based? You should be covered by 'distance selling regulations' if you buy online I think you're right about their customer service I've only ever heard good things about them

Good luck.

I'v been watching this with much interest but I don't see how downgrading from Mavericks or not upgrading to Mavericks or returning a Mac becouse it has Mavericks and not ML on it or using iOS 6 insted of iOS 7 has anthing to do with "How to locally sync an iPhone with OS X Mavericks? iCloud is NOT an option." wich by it's very nature is a question only conserning "Mavericks" and "iPhone" and not using "iCloud"

To all those who want an answer there are more then 6 ways on this thread.  None of witch are as easy as the the "SyncServics" that are in earler versions of OSX.

If you are worried about the thread going off topic just report the posts, I think 180 pages in may be a little too late for that

You are correct that reverting doesn't make Mavericks sync with iOS over USB.

Which is why I started the post with…

Drew Reece wrote:

You are both failing to see another option - don't use 10.9.

I was looking at a bigger picture - 'your Mac & your iOS device' not just the OS's that they run at the moment.

A Mac is more flexible than just the newest OS - it can usually run many OS X versions, even Windows, Linux, FreeBSD…

You want something that simply doesn't exist in 10.9. Apple have made no indication it will ever exist in future OS releases. 10.9 has been out for 4 months that is 1/3 of Apple's OS X release cycle, do you think they will re-add this feature mid-cycle or wait for 10.10 (next October-ish probably)?

USB sync of contacts & calendars does exist in 10.8 & all prior OS X releases and even Windows (at the moment).

It seems very important that you are able to sync your iPhone over USB and as you have found the options for syncing on 10.9 are all very involved and not as simple as the previous 'one button & some checkboxes' version of USB syncing.

It leads me to the simple conclusion that previous OS's work precisely the way that you want. It also seems like a good choice for gumsie and anyone else who isn't dependant on 10.9 apps or features.

If you don't want to revert that is fine, but I'm afraid the only option on 10.9 for getting contacts to sync is to make one of the network/server based solutions work or wait for a third party solution. You can also handle it manually if you are willing to export & import vcards & ical files, but that is equally complex & error prone.

There is currently no alterative on 10.9, debating it on here will not solve your problems, sorry if that is not what you want to hear.

Is that unreasonable? Am I missing something?

edited by: Drew Reece 4 months = 1/3 not 1/4

There is currently no alterative on 10.9, debating it on here will not solve your problems, sorry if that is not what you want to hear.

Is that unreasonable? Am I missing something?

I would like to find a place where people can debat ways that can/may be devloped to replace SyncServices.