Q: How to locally sync an iPhone with OS X Mavericks? iCloud is NOT an option.

Csound1 wrote:

 

Did the upgrade sign you into an account that you were previously not signed into (iCloud) and then turn on services that you did not want.

 

Yes or no will suffice

Maybe and yes. I cannot tell you what the installer did in the background. All I can verify - and we've now verified this on 3 machines (a MacBook Air, an iMac 27" i5 & an iMac 27" i7) - is that the iCloud Preferences in System Preferences had their selections changed to activate iCloud "services" for Contacts & Calendars (and  Mail, Safari and Notes) during the update from 10.9.1 to 10.9.2. All of these were purposefully not selected prior to the "upgrade."

As the Contacts began disappearing from the Address Book, I pulled the Ethernet cable from the iMac. We then  unsuccessfully tried to update the other machines without being connected to the internet.

We have been forced to log into iCloud twice now, both times to delete the confidential data that was seized off our computers, uploaded and stored there. As far as I can tell, there is no way to own a new Mac, iPhone or iPad, and use them, without at least creating an iCloud account... it appears to be required. Once this has been done, it also appears we're screwed.

Sorry Matt, I can only surmise that you are unclear about what happened.

When you can remember whether or not you had iCloud accounts prior to the upgrade and whether or not you were signed into them at the time there may be some knowledge to be gained. Maybe (unfortunately) is a detour, not an answer.

I misinterpreted your question. We have an iCloud account on these machines, we can't find a way not to. We were not logged into that iCloud account, and had de-selected everything in the iCloud Preferences panel, inside of System Preferences. When we "upgraded" from 10.9.1 to 10.9.2, our de-selections were changed to selections, and then iCloud started it's acquistion of our data.

As I've noted, we've only logged into the web interface for iCloud twice, both times in order to delete our data that was seized off our computers. I hope this answers your question.

Matt Schultz wrote:

 

As the Contacts began disappearing from the Address Book, I pulled the Ethernet cable from the iMac. We then  unsuccessfully tried to update the other machines without being connected to the internet.

 

 

I have never lost addresses from my Mac through iCloud. They get backed up, not removed. I have also downloaded the 10.9.2 update on one Mac and installed it on the other 4 while they were offline, so your issues do not seem normal by a longshot.

Pete

I found that some of my data had been moved to the iCloud before I turned off  all the services (except Find My Mac). I had to log into the iCloud to delete it.

Isn't this stealing when they give themselves permission and then download my data? If it is not illegal then it certainly should be. I have sent Apple some feedback on this. I think it may be time to talk to my federal legislators put some laws in place that specifically deal with these cloud issues.

Yule wrote:

 

Isn't this stealing when they give themselves permission and then download my data? I

"They" (whoever that is) did not download anything or give themselves permsission.

They are Apple since you ask. I did not give Apple permission to turn on the iCloud Services and I did not give them permission to start downloading my data on the iCloud. I was not given an option. They (Apple that is) proceeded on the asumption that I wanted to utilize the iCloud services in spite of the fact that they were all deselected before the upgrade to OS X 10.9.2. Once I found out what they had done I went to the iCloud account and found data that I did not wish to be there - Calendar data. I had to delete it all one month at a time. Is this not theft?

Yule wrote:

 

I did not give Apple permission to turn on the iCloud Services and I did not give them permission to start downloading my data on the iCloud.

You did by entering an iCloud username and password. They couldn't have enabled any of that if you didn't enter that information.

Yule wrote:

 

I found that some of my data had been moved to the iCloud before I turned off  all the services (except Find My Mac). I had to log into the iCloud to delete it.

 

Isn't this stealing when they give themselves permission and then download my data? If it is not illegal then it certainly should be. I have sent Apple some feedback on this. I think it may be time to talk to my federal legislators put some laws in place that specifically deal with these cloud issues.

Strange how the settings on our five Macs were unaffected also. Either use iCloud or don't. If you are going to set up an iCloud account then at least stay logged out of it if you don't wish to use what you intentionally set up (????)

You must be pretty powerful if you can lobby your fedral legislators to take on Apple over a cloud set up. Why? Because it is a choice. I did not have to set up an account. I CHOSE to, as did you.

Pete

When I signed up for iCloud I did it on the assumption that I could chose which services I wanted to use. This was indeed the case in the past. Now I find that I do not have that choice and that Apple can, and have, changed the services I use without informing me and without asking my permission. I perviously chose only to use Find my Mac and deliberately turned off all the others. I DID NOT chose to have these others turned on, I feel violated.

On another point made by petermac87, I understand that any citizen has a right to petition the government concerning grievances. I hope that nobody is suggesting that only the rich and powerful are allowed this privilege.

Yule wrote:

 

 

 

On another point made by petermac87, I understand that any citizen has a right to petition the government concerning grievances. I hope that nobody is suggesting that only the rich and powerful are allowed this privilege.

Na, but it helps. Just wishing you good luck. Perhaps Samsung's lawyers can give you some advice.

Pete

Matt Schultz wrote:

We have been forced to log into iCloud twice now, both times to delete the confidential data that was seized off our computers, uploaded and stored there. As far as I can tell, there is no way to own a new Mac, iPhone or iPad, and use them, without at least creating an iCloud account... it appears to be required.

If you log into iCloud, delete data and log out, won't iCloud then delete some of your files from your computer and take them away? Or is there a way of avoiding this? Perhaps by removing all the vulnerable files from your computer first?

By the way, I can endorse what Yule and Matt Schultz have described from my own experience. It would be good if people here could remember that this is a support community, i.e. people are here to help each other with problems, not facetiously argue against their existence.

Yule, Matt Schultz,

If haven't done so already create a new thread in the hopes that others who have the same issue join & eventually Apple may get to look at it.

It doesn't sound at all correct that Apple would enable additional services behind users backs. I do however believe what you have described (not everyone here thinks Apple can do no wrong).

If the terms of agreement or the update agreement state this is the correct behavior I'll be looking for a new OS too.

There's probably no point staying here, the trolls are already ravenous.

I thought I would give iCloud a try.  So I started to set it up BUT at the last prompt befor it did any thing I got the message

“when you click OK all the data on your computer will be moved to the iCloud so it can be avable to all of your devices.” 

So I clicked cancle.

I sent feedback to Apple/iCloud saying "I wanted to have a look at iCloud services but I belive moving data from my laptop to the iCloud "note nice" at best and "down right wrong"  is there no way you could alow for people to have a look round then deside what of there data they would like in the cloud?"

If I had of click OK and all the data was moved would I have lost my data if I deleteed my iCloud account?  What if I had joined iCloud then run Time Machine could I get my data back without iCloud.  I asoume that I could get my data back with out iCloud if I had run Time Machine befor joining iCloud? 

http://www.apple.com/icloud/features/