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  • Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (42,355 points)

    phanam wrote:

     

    Well, then, if nobody can follow the link what is the point of putting it on top of every page in the first place?

    It can be followed by those with the permissions to do so, that is not you however.

  • petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (6,140 points)

    True. It would only enable him to post his niggling little comments there as well. Maybe it is only him who can't access it. Who knows? Perhaps the moderators are on to him for never posting anything of technical usefulness.

     

    Pete

  • Meg St._Clair Level 8 Level 8 (44,535 points)

    phanam wrote:

     

    Something off-topic where I might need your (or any) help:

    in this thread on top of every page is written "Branched to a new discussion.", the link pointing to https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5938516

    Trying to get to this branched discussion, the message below appears.

    What's happening here? How can I follow the branched discussion?

    Thx in advance!

     

    When the hosts are editing or removing a post, they first move it to a separate thread. I have, on rare occaisions, clicked on that link and been taken to the post that was in the process of being deleted. I assume this is simply the way the Jive software that runs the forums works.

  • applejpmc Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    TopSteve

     

    Sounds like you've had different experiences to mine. I understand what you say about it being like 2 computers - but here is the result (and I went through the set up with Apple Enterprise people):

     

    From 1453 contacts as the start point in my contacts:

    a)     The 'All on my Mac' has 67 contacts that are NOT on the 'Server' at all

              These include some new ones entered on the 'Server' which transferred over and then dissappeared off the           'Server', also included are some that never 'synced' from the original contacts ('All on my Mac')

     

     

    b)     The 'Server' has 154 contact that are NOT on the 'All on my Mac' at all

              These include new ones which were entered onto the 'Server' but have never despite weeks of the machine           being on and having a ton of time to achieve it, simply not 'syncing' in any way, also included are some           which were originally on the 'All on my mac' which 'synced' to the 'Server' and then totally disappeared off           the original 'All on my Mac'

     

    Add to this the fact that another 47 contacts had their formats changed so that they appeared in completely different formats and different order on 'All on my Mac' and 'Server'

     

    Add to this that there were additionally 18 contacts which duplicated - some over 150 times.

     

    Seems to me that OSX Server is a very unreliable solution. I see no solution at present.

     

    One thing that does occur to me is that marketing companies use computerised mailing lists and these have to be reliable or there are a multitude of upset recipients of mail-outs. I wonder if there is any mailing list app that could with some common sense developer workign on it be made into a very simple contacts sync app?

  • TopSteve Level 1 Level 1 (65 points)

    TopSteve wrote:

     

    jayv. wrote:

     

    To test drive iCloud just set up a new user account, it won't have data in it that can get misplaced.

    When I do that, I get the message, I put in my last post:

     

    “when you click OK all the data on your computer will be moved to the iCloud so it can be avable to all of your devices.”

     

    I don't want my data "MOVED"  would would may be ok is a "COPY" but it would be best if I coude deside what I want to happen to my data once I have the iCloud account and had a look round.

    I have just asked this on it's own thread if any one can help.  https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5949934

  • Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (42,355 points)

    If you want to use an online server (iCloud) then the data must be moved to it. If that is unacceptable to you do not use any online server system at all.

  • TopSteve Level 1 Level 1 (65 points)

    Csound1 wrote:

     

    If you want to use an online server (iCloud) then the data must be moved to it. If that is unacceptable to you do not use any online server system at all.

    point 1) Why "moved"?  My understanding of moved is that something is taken from one place and moved to another.  why can it not be coped?

     

    point 2) Why "all" data why not choose witch data to store on the cloud?

  • petermac87 Level 5 Level 5 (6,140 points)

    TopSteve wrote:

     

    Csound1 wrote:

     

    If you want to use an online server (iCloud) then the data must be moved to it. If that is unacceptable to you do not use any online server system at all.

    point 1) Why "moved"?  My understanding of moved is that something is taken from one place and moved to another.  why can it not be coped?

     

    point 2) Why "all" data why not choose witch data to store on the cloud?

    My data has been backed up to iCloud without any loss of data on my Mac, iPhone or iPad, so I do not know what your point is. It keeps everything in sync as I have chosen in the iCloud preferences. Are you saying that putting your data in the cloud removes it from your Mac completely?

  • Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (42,355 points)

    1 You can keep a local copy in On My Mac if you want, it will slip out of sync unless you update it manually.

    2 What do you mean, you do chose which data to store in iCloud, you turn the services you want to use on or off in the iCloud Preferences panel.

  • TopSteve Level 1 Level 1 (65 points)

    applejpmc wrote:

     

    TopSteve

     

    Sounds like you've had different experiences to mine. I understand what you say about it being like 2 computers - but here is the result (and I went through the set up with Apple Enterprise people):

     

    From 1453 contacts as the start point in my contacts:

    a)     The 'All on my Mac' has 67 contacts that are NOT on the 'Server' at all

              These include some new ones entered on the 'Server' which transferred over and then dissappeared off the           'Server', also included are some that never 'synced' from the original contacts ('All on my Mac')

     

    As fare as I know there is no automatic way to "sync" contacts between stores "All on my Mac" and "Server"  you have to copy them your self.  I highlight and Drag.   As for  "disappeared off the" "Server" I can only think of 5 things that may be.  1) they where deleted by accident.  2) Some automation was programmed to delete them. 3) There where not there in the first place. 4) you have been hit with a bug that you should report to apple.   5) There was some corruption of the database.   In the Addressbook app it is easy to think you have one souse selected when you have another.

     

     

     

    applejpmc wrote:

     

     

     

    b)     The 'Server' has 154 contact that are NOT on the 'All on my Mac' at all

              These include new ones which were entered onto the 'Server' but have never despite weeks of the machine           being on and having a ton of time to achieve it, simply not 'syncing' in any way, also included are some           which were originally on the 'All on my mac' which 'synced' to the 'Server' and then totally disappeared off           the original 'All on my Mac'

     

     

    The new contacts that are entered onto the "Server" will never be on "All on my Mac" unless they are coped there.

    Working with a server is very different from the "Syncing" we where all using.  It's more like having a second address book that you can copy/move data to and from.  Once I had all the addresses in "All on my Mac" coped to "server" I linked them but I was lucky I only have 65 address.  With 1453 this is a nightmare  maybe this is not the best option for you.

     

     

    applejpmc wrote:

     

    TopSteve

     

    Add to this the fact that another 47 contacts had their formats changed so that they appeared in completely different formats and different order on 'All on my Mac' and 'Server'

     

    Add to this that there were additionally 18 contacts which duplicated - some over 150 times.

     

    Seems to me that OSX Server is a very unreliable solution. I see no solution at present.

     

    One thing that does occur to me is that marketing companies use computerised mailing lists and these have to be reliable or there are a multitude of upset recipients of mail-outs. I wonder if there is any mailing list app that could with some common sense developer working on it be made into a very simple contacts sync app?

    Changed formats: difficult to know whats going on without knowing what about the format has changed.  Example most of my contacts have a (First Name: Last Name:   on one line), (Home Phone:   one one line), (E-mail:   on one line) and (Address: on 6 lines)  When I moved the cards to my server they had added (Work Phone:   on one line)  All I did was edit the template and remove it.

     

    18 contacts duplicated - some over 150 times.  Not good a lot of work even with "Card"-> "Look for Duplicates"

     

    OS X server is not unreliable it just may not be right for you and the way you work.  As for a simple sync app there are some like "SyncMate 5" in the pipe line.

  • TopSteve Level 1 Level 1 (65 points)

    Csound1 wrote:

     

    1 You can keep a local copy in On My Mac if you want, it will slip out of sync unless you update it manually.

    2 What do you mean, you do chose which data to store in iCloud, you turn the services you want to use on or off in the iCloud Preferences panel.

    The message OSX gives me when I try and join iCloud has the words "....all data will be moved... as soon as you press OK"    from this message and your post I now understand. I have to press OK to join iCloud then as all the data is being moved I have to goto iCloud Preferences panel and change the services.   This seems a little backword to me.

  • Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (42,355 points)

    TopSteve wrote:

     

    Csound1 wrote:

     

    1 You can keep a local copy in On My Mac if you want, it will slip out of sync unless you update it manually.

    2 What do you mean, you do chose which data to store in iCloud, you turn the services you want to use on or off in the iCloud Preferences panel.

    The message OSX gives me when I try and join iCloud has the words "....all data will be moved... as soon as you press OK"    from this message and your post I now understand. I have to press OK to join iCloud then as all the data is being moved I have to goto iCloud Preferences panel and change the services.   This seems a little backword to me.

    You're no longer making sense. Save a local copy of your Contacts and Calendars, join iCloud, restore the local copies, then you will have both. And that will be your problem!

     

    Just decide whether you want your contacts only on your Mac or available to all of your devices, Mac, IOS or PC. The answer to that will decide which account you put your contacts in!

  • jayv. Level 4 Level 4 (1,230 points)

    TopSteve wrote:


    point 1) Why "moved"?  My understanding of moved is that something is taken from one place and moved to another.  why can it not be coped?

    It is my understanding that where your Mac used to be the main source of data (iTools, .Mac, MobileMe) it is now iCloud. This was done to resolve the most common issues plagueing the users of these services before (Duplicate contacts, calendars etc).

     

    Once the data resides on iCloud, iCloud can take control and push everything back, overwriting what's on the devices.

     

    I have no documentation to support this but it's what I have been told by Apple staff and it makes sense to me.

  • gumsie Level 4 Level 4 (2,150 points)

    Steve, you're running Server righty?

     

    Tell me, does the Mac still respect your Energy Saver settings, (ie does it go to sleep on schedule)? I understand  that the installation of Server presents the Mac from sleeping correctly?