Q: How to locally sync an iPhone with OS X Mavericks? iCloud is NOT an option.

jayv. wrote:

 

TopSteve wrote:

point 1) Why "moved"?  My understanding of moved is that something is taken from one place and moved to another.  why can it not be coped?

 

Once the data resides on iCloud, iCloud can take control and push everything back, overwriting what's on the devices.

 

Nope, iCloud is a separate account, there is nothing on your device that is in the iCloud group that is local, it is all stored on the iCloud server and you are viewing a locally cached copy (connected in real-time to the iCloud server) that allows you to see the data if you are not connected to the internet.

You can test this quite simply. Disable all accounts except iCloud, you will see only your iCloud data. Re-enable any other accounts and you will see what they contain, but they are still not in iCloud. (You can also go to iCloud.com and see the data there, and you will only see iCloud data, not On My Mac, or Google or anything that is not iCloud)

Overwrites are not possible and neither are duplicates (as there is only 1 iCloud account which does not sync with any other dataset)

Stop thinking of it as a sync system, it is not, it is a remote data server that you attach clients to, they all see the same thing.

Not wishing to split hairs on semantics, but if I am offline and change a calendar record it remains on my ipad until I get back online. It then updates icloud which then pushes and overwrites that record all my other devices. Surely that is a sync with overwrite privileges? The data on the ipad cant be just a dead cache copy.

gumsie wrote:

 

Steve, you're running Server righty?

 

Tell me, does the Mac still respect your Energy Saver settings, (ie does it go to sleep on schedule)? I understand  that the installation of Server presents the Mac from sleeping correctly?

Yes I am running server.  I don't lat my mac sleep so to be honest I don't know about energy saving. I can't see any resion why once the server is up and running you can't change the Energy Saver settings to suit.    As I use my server to do other things like DNS, email and Open Dir.... It seems strange to me to make/let a server sleep.

Also running a server is very diffent from using the SyncService on older versions of OSX.     

Csound1 wrote:

 

jayv. wrote:

 

TopSteve wrote:

point 1) Why "moved"?  My understanding of moved is that something is taken from one place and moved to another.  why can it not be coped?

 

Once the data resides on iCloud, iCloud can take control and push everything back, overwriting what's on the devices.

 

Nope, iCloud is a separate account, there is nothing on your device that is in the iCloud group that is local, it is all stored on the iCloud server and you are viewing a locally cached copy (connected in real-time to the iCloud server) that allows you to see the data if you are not connected to the internet.

 

You can test this quite simply. Disable all accounts except iCloud, you will see only your iCloud data. Re-enable any other accounts and you will see what they contain, but they are still not in iCloud. (You can also go to iCloud.com and see the data there, and you will only see iCloud data, not On My Mac, or Google or anything that is not iCloud)

 

Overwrites are not possible and neither are duplicates (as there is only 1 iCloud account which does not sync with any other dataset)

 

Stop thinking of it as a sync system, it is not, it is a remote data server that you attach clients to, they all see the same thing.

This is a very clear way of putting it.

TopSteve wrote:

 

I can't see any resion why once the server is up and running you can't change the Energy Saver settings to suit.  

In ML no, but this is 10.9 which is why I wondered.

TopSteve wrote:

As I use my server to do other things like DNS, email and Open Dir.... It seems strange to me to make/let a server sleep.

 

Also running a server is very diffent from using the SyncService on older versions of OSX.     

Absolutely, things is a quite a lot of people bought Server I suspect solely as a means to get around this Sync issue.

peter_watt wrote:

 

Not wishing to split hairs on semantics, but if I am offline

When you are offline you are not on iCloud, when you go online iCloud is updated by the Davserver on your iPad (per your input), shortly after that the clients receive the updated data. At no time is any client to client sync (or even comparison) involved. It is an entirely server client relationship.

Google WebDav and research it for yourself.

Yep we agree.

I think it is just outrageous that we are being forced into using iCloud for syncing. With the most advanced (and perhaps one of the most expensive) phones and computers, I am now having to resort to manually re-typing each and every contact and calendar appointment from my phone onto the Mac by hand. Sort of like going back to a chisel and stone tablet. 

Chris Dubuque wrote:

 

I think it is just outrageous that we are being forced into using iCloud for syncing.

How so?

Pete

A bunch of reasons; 1) I dont always have internet avaialble when I want to sync, 2) I want my kids on my applie account and my iCloud account (for the find my phone feature) but if we set up all of the phones to have iCloud backup, I get all of their contacts and calendar appointments on my phone, 3) Whether legitimate or not (I dont really know), I have privacy concerns over iCloud, and 4) there simply is no reason to eliminate wired sync.

For the second reason, you can set up different iCloud addresses so everything stays separate for back-up, and Find My iPhone.

Don't use it.

Pete

OK Finest.Royalty, you are right about the second point. But I only figured this out after I scrambled all of our contacts and calendar appts. But the other issues remain.

True to your points as well, Chris. But, physical connectivity in general is being phased out slowly, so soon everything will have to be "in a cloud", or back on good 'ol paper.

Finest.Royalty wrote:

 

True to your points as well, Chris. But, physical connectivity in general is being phased out slowly, so soon everything will have to be "in a cloud", or back on good 'ol paper.

Funny that as it must be safer than wireless surely? In this day and age of paranoia I find it odd that the air is being filled up with evermore data unnecessarily.