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Q: How to locally sync an iPhone with OS X Mavericks? iCloud is NOT an option.

I read that OS X Mavericks will no longer allow me to use iTunes to sync my iPhone to a local system but makes iCloud mandatory? Is that correct?

 

iCloud is not a valid option for me since I have no control about my data there, I need to keep all my data (contacts, calendar...) on a system under my control and so far iTunes allowed me to do that which was one of the reasons I didn't even consider Android or Windows Phone.

OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.5)

Posted on Oct 20, 2013 8:54 AM

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Q: How to locally sync an iPhone with OS X Mavericks? iCloud is NOT an option.

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  • by phanam,

    phanam phanam Oct 30, 2013 12:04 PM in response to handsOFFmydata
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    Oct 30, 2013 12:04 PM in response to handsOFFmydata

    fseventer = filesystem event er. it is a gui for the shell command fs_usage. you can also simply open terminal and enter "sudo fs_usage" .. but the output will be a lot of strings

  • by Matt Schultz,

    Matt Schultz Matt Schultz Oct 30, 2013 12:12 PM in response to TangentSun
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    Oct 30, 2013 12:12 PM in response to TangentSun

    TangentSun wrote:

     

    Thanx, Matt,  for repeating my points at the bottom of page 7.


    Whoops! Sorry, I missed that :-)

     

    Well, great minds think alike, eh? :-)

  • by Matt Schultz,

    Matt Schultz Matt Schultz Oct 30, 2013 12:22 PM in response to handsOFFmydata
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    Oct 30, 2013 12:22 PM in response to handsOFFmydata

    handsOFFmydata wrote:

    I am desperate to make things work locally as my business depends on this.

    I understand, my business is in the same boat.

     

    1. Are you rushed? Because 10.8.x still provides USB local sync functionality. We're just going to stay put for awhile.

     

    2. If we don't move back to Windows, where we were for 10 or 12 years, we might pick up an inexpensive, used MacMini, put a new HDD in it & connect it to our existing Ethernet network. Should be relatively cheap. We'd prohibit internet connection on this machine, so it wouldn't be web accessible & then our security problems get mitigated. We don't have time to babysit, which is a big reason iCloud terrifies us, the last time we tested it, man, what a time sink restoring lost info & over-writing duplicates.

     

    3. Not sure if we should use Mavericks server or even Snow Leopard server. Anybody have a recommendation? We have a mix of Mac laptop's OSes & iPhone's iOSes - 10.6.8 to 10.8.5 & iOS 5 up to 6, and maybe one gal with iOS 7 (can't recall).

     

    4. Can we turn this server service on & off just to do our syncing of Contacts & Calendar? We have no other reason to operate the server.

     

    Tips 'n tricks appreciated. Thanks!

  • by Gerrit7,

    Gerrit7 Gerrit7 Oct 30, 2013 12:39 PM in response to phanam
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    Oct 30, 2013 12:39 PM in response to phanam

    phanam wrote:

     

    fseventer = filesystem event er. it is a gui for the shell command fs_usage. you can also simply open terminal and enter "sudo fs_usage" .. but the output will be a lot of strings

     

    'iostat' is also quite useful. I usually call it with 'iostat 2' in a Terminal.

  • by handsOFFmydata,

    handsOFFmydata handsOFFmydata Oct 30, 2013 12:50 PM in response to Matt Schultz
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    Oct 30, 2013 12:50 PM in response to Matt Schultz

    Unfortunately, I have already upgraded some Macs to OSX 10.9 ... there was nothing in the release notes that indicated the loss of local sync between devices … what a mistake!

     

    Going back to OSX 10.8.x is an option but a cumbersome one and prone to other conflicts and loss of data. So far I see running OSX 10.9 server on individual upgraded Mac or Macs as the only option to retain local sync and remain untethered to Internet or to even local LAN … we need untethered mobility.

     

    From what I saw after buying and downloading OSX 10.9 server app … it is only 500MB when installed, and acts like an app … you can switch it on and off as needed. I have not configured it yet … still reading up on it and waiting for English translation of German instructions, so the final judgement is still ahead.

     

    Like you, I am hoping for user's, who were able to overcome the limitation, comments and ideas … after all, this topic is all about How to locally sync an iPhone with OS X Mavericks? iCloud is NOT an option.

  • by jonfromdaleville,

    jonfromdaleville jonfromdaleville Oct 30, 2013 12:57 PM in response to handsOFFmydata
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    Oct 30, 2013 12:57 PM in response to handsOFFmydata

    Do you have a time machine backup that you could restore from? Or did you make a backup before doing the update?

  • by AndyD,

    AndyD AndyD Oct 30, 2013 1:11 PM in response to TangentSun
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    Oct 30, 2013 1:11 PM in response to TangentSun

    @TangentSun

     

    Thanks for posting this

     

    Quote:

     

    I strongly recommend that all readers read the Terms and Conditions posted here:


    http://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/icloud/en/terms.html


    Make your own interpretations.

    Take what you feel are appropriate actions.

     

    End Quote:

     

    After reading the Terms and Conditions it really reienforces what I and many others have been concerned about all along

     

    Quote from iCloud Terms and Conditions:

     

    Back up Your Content

    You are responsible for backing up, to your own computer or other device, any important documents, images or other Content that you store or access via the Service. Apple shall use reasonable skill and due care in providing the Service, but Apple does not guarantee or warrant that any Content you may store or access through the Service will not be subject to inadvertent damage, corruption or loss.

    End Quote from iCloud Terms and Conditions

    The bolding in the Terms and Conditions is mine to highlight my concerns.

    This means that if my Calendar and Contact information is lost Apple is not responsible for it. It is my loss even though under Mavericks if I use the provided  syncing the only way I can use the provided syncing is to use iCloud, and I really heve no control over my data.

    This is exactly why local/usb sync of my Calendars and Contacts is so important to me.

    Andy


     


  • by AndyD,

    AndyD AndyD Oct 30, 2013 1:14 PM in response to handsOFFmydata
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    Oct 30, 2013 1:14 PM in response to handsOFFmydata

    @handsOFFmydata

     

    Be sure to let us know your experiences when you finally turn server on and start using it.  I would be interested in your configuration... ie are you going to use a dedicated Mac as your server or will you use a Mac that has normal day-to-day use.

     

    TIA

     

    Andy

  • by KiltedTim,

    KiltedTim KiltedTim Oct 30, 2013 1:15 PM in response to AndyD
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    Oct 30, 2013 1:15 PM in response to AndyD

    And if you are smart enough to use other features of mavericks, such as Time Machine, the data will be backed up to another hard drive that you control completely. You have total control at that point.

  • by handsOFFmydata,

    handsOFFmydata handsOFFmydata Oct 30, 2013 1:27 PM in response to jonfromdaleville
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    Oct 30, 2013 1:27 PM in response to jonfromdaleville

    Yes, before the OSX upgrade I did the TM backups of the entire Macs to external HDs, and the copies/exports/archives of documents/calendars/contacts/other intellectual properties to our servers.

  • by jonfromdaleville,

    jonfromdaleville jonfromdaleville Oct 30, 2013 1:33 PM in response to handsOFFmydata
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    Oct 30, 2013 1:33 PM in response to handsOFFmydata

    Then why not restore your machine to a point before you updated to mavericks?

  • by handsOFFmydata,

    handsOFFmydata handsOFFmydata Oct 30, 2013 1:40 PM in response to jonfromdaleville
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    Oct 30, 2013 1:40 PM in response to jonfromdaleville

    Will it restore the OSX 10.8.x as well? I've read conflicting reports on this ... like you must have a ditribution copy of OSX previous version to restore it after upgrade?!

  • by snozdop,

    snozdop snozdop Oct 30, 2013 1:38 PM in response to AndyD
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    Oct 30, 2013 1:38 PM in response to AndyD

    This means that if my Calendar and Contact information is lost Apple is not responsible for it

     

    Of course they are not. It is your data and you are responsible for making whatever backups of it you deem necessary. Same as every other "cloud" provider. Nothing new or unusual there. Other internet/remote storage and even web hosting providers are the same, unless you pay for a backup service.

     


  • by Matt Schultz,

    Matt Schultz Matt Schultz Oct 30, 2013 1:46 PM in response to snozdop
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    Oct 30, 2013 1:46 PM in response to snozdop

    snozdop wrote:

     

     

    This means that if my Calendar and Contact information is lost Apple is not responsible for it

     

     

    Of course they are not. It is your data and you are responsible for making whatever backups of it you deem necessary. Same as every other "cloud" provider. Nothing new or unusual there. Other internet/remote storage and even web hosting providers are the same, unless you pay for a backup service.

     


    So if we're paying Apple for iCloud storage and Time Machine backups reside there, should their terms then be changed to better reflect their position as a backup service vendor?

  • by KiltedTim,

    KiltedTim KiltedTim Oct 30, 2013 1:55 PM in response to Matt Schultz
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    Oct 30, 2013 1:55 PM in response to Matt Schultz

    Time machine backups do NOT reside in iCloud. They reside on a hard drive that YOU posess. Have you ever actually used OS X? This is basic. One of the simplest tools built into the OS. You obviously have never even looked at the settings panel for Time Machine or you would know this.

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