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  • peter_watt Level 3 Level 3

    Csound1 wrote:

     

    peter_watt wrote:

     

    How is your icloud data accessible by anyone other than you? Please post examples.

    Subpoena

    Absolutely, lawful requests must be honoured, whether it is in the cloud or on a laptop,  but I suspect Greenmind was concerned about general security when he said "Much like the Internet, everything is becoming both more excessible. Unfortunately wt more accesibility, comes a greater lack of privacy."  

  • lkrupp Level 5 Level 5

    This thread is the poster boy for why Apple discussion boards cannot be used to support or oppose claims and issues. Over 330,00 views and 232 pages but after about the first ten pages or so this thread degenerated into name calling, ad hominem attacks, pontificating nonsense, one-up-manship, etc. This thread has now become an entertainment forum with people tuning in for the next set of name calling, posturing, mud slinging, and claims of user support for the issue at hand.

     

    In the future, when someone starts spouting off about how many pages a thread is long and how it "proves" the issue is widespread or of major interest please think about this thread and others like it. The same intransigent, my-way-or-the-highway numbskulls talking past each other, puffing out their chests in outrage and indignation, spewing ever more nonsense.

     

    In other words, ignore threads like this. They say nothing about any problem or its prevalence.

  • peter_watt Level 3 Level 3

    lkrupp wrote:

     

    ...... This thread has now become an entertainment forum with people tuning in for the next set of name calling, posturing, mud slinging, and claims of user support for the issue at hand.

     

    ...

    I know, it's brilliant! 

  • Csound1 Level 8 Level 8
    expertise.desktops
    Desktops

    lkrupp wrote:

     

    This thread is the poster boy for why Apple discussion boards cannot be used to support or oppose claims and issues. Over 330,00 views and 232 pages but after about the first ten pages or so this thread degenerated into name calling,

    Your post includes itself in that category with its deprecating descriptions

     

    6/10 for effort.

  • woodmeister50 Level 5 Level 5
    expertise.serversenterprise
    Servers Enterprise

    lkrupp wrote:

     

    This thread has now become an entertainment forum with people tuning in for the next set of name calling, posturing, mud slinging, and claims of user support for the issue at hand.

     

    The only reason I still continue I still check it out.  Some of the

    banter is quite amusing.

  • Capt Billy Level 1 Level 1

    Help. Tell me how to get off this. I joined because I have terrible internet here in Panama. Really: 20kb/s. How do I stop receiving all the posts as emails? Please help

  • James Richards Level 1 Level 1

    Sign in to the thread via your web browser. Towards the top r/h side of the page there's a box headed 'Actions'. One of the actions is 'Stop email notifications'. Click the link. :-) Hope this helps. James

  • rajiv001 Level 1 Level 1

    Apple has lost a lot of business due to this lack of sensitivity.  I run a small business and maintain confidential client information on my contact list and calendars.  I would never think of putting this information on a cloud.  Further, I live in the European Union and privacy laws may not permit shipping confidential client data outside the EU.  For the past few years, I had given my team of office staff IPads and IPhones so they could sync calendars and contacts with the main IMac in our small office through the ITunes wifi sync.  We were thinking of upgrading the hardware to by about 5-6 Apple laptops and IPads.  As we can no longer sync through wifi, we have decided to hold off on our Apple purchases and are considering other vendor solutions.  This is not our preferred option, but we cannot tolerate Apple's behaviour of forcing us on to the cloud.  The cost to Apple of our decision to put off purchases of their products is worth about 20,000 euros.  I hope this will bring Apple back to their senses.   I would like Apple to let us know asap when the previous sync functionality will be restored on Mavericks.  I consider this lack of communication by Apple rather unprofessional. 

  • Csound1 Level 8 Level 8
    expertise.desktops
    Desktops

    rajiv001 wrote:

     

    Apple has lost a lot of business due to this lack of sensitivity.

    I have yet to see any evidence of that reflected in their sales figures, and I would wait for the next Mavericks update before committing to a change of hardware.

  • peter_watt Level 3 Level 3

    Re EU data protection read the link, then type in Apple. You will find Apple complies for HR and personal data.

     

    http://safeharbor.export.gov/list.aspx

     

    But yes, wait a while and see what is in the next version.

  • Sonny Disco Level 1 Level 1

    It looks like local sync is coming back everyone. Have a great day.

     

    http://www.macrumors.com/2014/03/18/itunes-beta-local-syncing/

  • Chris CA Level 9 Level 9
    expertise.itunes
    iTunes

    peter_watt wrote:

     

    Re EU data protection read the link, then type in Apple. You will find Apple complies for HR and personal data.

    Data that Apple collects.

    It does not have anything to do with iCloud or what data customers put into iCloud.

  • AstroMacMan Level 2 Level 2
    expertise.ipad
    iPad

    How soon will it be available for mere mortals?

     

    I just read about Enhanced Dictation and would like to upgrade to Mavericks for that, but not by sacrificing the privacy of my contacts and calendars in synching, sending to iCloud as we low-tech guys have to do.

  • Csound1 Level 8 Level 8
    expertise.desktops
    Desktops

    Until it is officially announced no-one knows.

  • peter_watt Level 3 Level 3

    Chris CA wrote:

     

    peter_watt wrote:

     

    Re EU data protection read the link, then type in Apple. You will find Apple complies for HR and personal data.

    Data that Apple collects.

    It does not have anything to do with iCloud or what data customers put into iCloud.

    OK your expertise on EU data protection directives would be useful if you could elaborate.  My iterpretation is that in the instance of a SME who used  icloud contacts and notes data to contain real personal data for the purposes of their business, provided that the data is registered woth the ICO (and this restriction for SMEs is being modified as we speak) then cross border data flows to third countries such as the USA would be allowed if the company receiving and "processimng" the data - i.e. encrypting and storing it - would be allowed under EU Data protection directive, Article 26(1) . Membership of the Safe Harbor Scheme is under certain circumstances taken as adequacy of data protection. I am not saying that icloud comes under this directive at all, but if it did, then this surely would be adequate. If you know which EU directive does cover icloud then please post a link.

     

    I also invite rajiv001 to post a link to a directive that prohibits use of icloud under EU law which is what he claimed when he said.  " Further, I live in the European Union and privacy laws may not permit shipping confidential client data outside the EU. "

     

    I cite http://www.echr.coe.int/Documents/Handbook_data_protection_ENG.pdf#page126