Q: How to locally sync an iPhone with OS X Mavericks? iCloud is NOT an option.

Matt Schultz wrote:

What's actually worse IMHO are Apple's iCloud Terms & Conditions of Service:

 

• Apple states they will monitor your data and judge it. RE iCloud Terms and Conditions; Removal of Content

 

• Apple will provide your content to anyone they wish whether legally required or not. RE iCloud Terms and Conditions; Access to Your Account and Content

No, it says they "may pre-screen, move, refuse, modify and/or remove Content at any time", and only to make sure that it is not "found to be in violation of this Agreement or is otherwise objectionable."

Clearly, they are referring to illegal, copyright infringing, obscene images etc. or anything else Apple would not want on their servers for legal reasons. Your contacts and calendars are extremely unlikely to be in that category.

As far as providing your content to "anyone", that is also untrue. It specifically says: "if legally required to do so or if we have a good faith belief that such access, use, disclosure, or preservation is reasonably necessary to: (a) comply with legal process or request; (b) enforce this Agreement, including investigation of any potential violation thereof; (c) detect, prevent or otherwise address security, fraud or technical issues; or (d) protect the rights, property or safety of Apple, its users, a third party, or the public as required or permitted by law."

So, any rational person can see that if you are not using your iCloud account to break the law, not doing something to jeopardise iCloud security, or attempting to defraud someone then you have nothing to worry about. If you are then that's upon you.

Time machine backups do not reside within iCloud. We are not trying to debate what their terms and services "should" say. That's for a different place.

The real message to get across here lately is that it's your information. Back it up more than once, in different locations, even before you update. You will lose data at some point if you do not.

KiltedTim wrote:

 

Time machine backups do NOT reside in iCloud. They reside on a hard drive that YOU posess. Have you ever actually used OS X? This is basic. One of the simplest tools built into the OS. You obviously have never even looked at the settings panel for Time Machine or you would know this.

Wow, dude, you are harsh & way uncool. Did you know you can now get great taste in a decaffinated coffee?

I'm so sorry, your highness, I erred and meant iCloud Backup, not Time Machine. Geez.

iCloud's only backup functionality is for iOS devices - nothing else. Your contacts and calendars are not backed up by iCloud at all. The additional storage you can optionally choose to buy can be used for far more than iOS device backups

You've erred in a lot of statements you've made. There's no way we can be expected to tell the difference between a misstatement and just plain ignorance.

This is a technical support forum. I would think that you would understand the importance of accuracy and completeness when asking a question, providing information, or making a statement... but I see that is an unreasonable expectation for you and many of those posting here.

jonfromdaleville 

Oct 30, 2013 4:33 PM    (in response to handsOFFmydata) 

 

Then why not restore your machine to a point before you updated to mavericks?

 

 

handsOFFmydata 

Oct 30, 2013 4:40 PM    (in response to jonfromdaleville)

 

Will it restore the OSX 10.8.x as well? I've read conflicting reports on this ... like you must have a ditribution copy of OSX previous version to restore it after upgrade?!

 

Anyone?

The first hand knowledge on rolling back from OSX 10.9 to 10.8.x would be appreciated.

http://support.apple.com/kb/ph11181?viewlocale=en_US

Check that article (it was for mountain lion, but should still apply)

KiltedTim wrote:

YOU ae missing the point entirely. This is a TECHNICAL SUPPORT forum. Bits and bytes. Technology. It is NOT a discussion forum for you to air your views on how a company, or a country, may be behaving like a totalitarian regime.

I believe you are incorrect.

There's a moral AND technical dimension to what is being discussed here re 'How to locally sync an iPhone with OS X Mavericks? iCloud is NOT an option'.

iCloud is a server-based technology that can be subject to intrusion by others beside Apple and its employees, for Apple and users that is a moral and technical issue, the where of my data is subject to moral decision making.

If I complain, submit a statement to apple about this issue via their feedback process, that feedback remains invisible to everyone else. Therefore the Apple forums would seem to be the logical place to discuss the security issues of cloud storage, security is a technical issue but not exclusively so, how can you separate the legal/moral issues from the technical in this case?

I want a solution that gives me sole control over my data, namely the data associated with Reminders, Calendars, Notes and Contacts. So far the only one that appeals to me is the Mac Mini server option, but why should I have to go to the expense of doing that just because Apple has neutered a perfectly good technology - local sync? Now that's a moral and technical issue and it belongs in this discussion.

We know that the NSA gathers bulk data and then harvests material from this cache. We know that Apple has had to open their servers to the NSA. We now know that German law forbids openly storing/sharing business data. Apple's lack of insight about this begars belief and makes me wonder who IS actually running Apple these days and what their moral position is because that effects how my computer works and again, thats a moral AND technical issue.

I found this, perhaps it'll help:

http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/93850/roll-back-from-os-x-mavericks-or- any-newer-os-to-mountain-lion

Is it possible for you to reply to somebody without being so snarky?

I am new to this group and responding in the hope that more of a united front will get Apple's attention. I love my Mac but also use my PC. I would never entrust my Outlook contacts to the cloud, so the local sync capability is crucial for me. Android doesn't work because the sync corrupts my contacts. I've tried it with both HTC and Samsung phones. Windows phones require a cloud sync. ITunes performed the sync elegantly with no issues ever. I am bummed and like many of you hope for Apple to add the feature to Mavericks.

jonfromdaleville 

 

Re: How to locally sync an iPhone with OS X Mavericks? iCloud is NOT an option.

 

Oct 30, 2013 5:52 PM    (in response to handsOFFmydata) 

http://support.apple.com/kb/ph11181?viewlocale=en_US

 

Check that article (it was for mountain lion, but should still apply)

 

Thank you ...

The "should" worries me a bit ... have too much experience to jump in without assessing the risks. There are other posts with comments that suggest the same TM restore approach, like this one: https://discussions.apple.com/message/23575143#23575143

Anyhow, need to think about it and talk to my partners about the approach … either roll back to OSX 10.8.x, or to keep OSX 10.9 and run OSX Server app on top.

Either way, I will share my decision and results here.

Matt Schultz 

 

Re: How to locally sync an iPhone with OS X Mavericks? iCloud is NOT an option.

 

   Oct 30, 2013 6:28 PM    (in response to handsOFFmydata) 

I found this, perhaps it'll help:

 

http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/93850/roll-back-from-os-x-mavericks-or- any-newer-os-to-mountain-lion

Thank you ... every bit of info helps ...

Ah, forget about it ... none of the top gearheads was able to come up with a soulution to a real problem defined in the title of this topic. Let's keep digging and sharing our findings in search for the best work around this limitation.

We understand what you are saying, but this is a technical support forum where volunteers help others fix their devices. This is not a general discussion forum on everything Apple related. There are other sites that have forums for that purpose. The reason that we care so much is because threads like this "that turn into a complaint form" take away from the attention of people needing help. Please use the proper channels so we can focus on helping people instead of pointing out why this is not the place to post your concerns.

If you have an issue, please stick to posting relevant information so we can help you the best that we can. If you have a complaint, Apple provides a place to submit feedback (apple.com/feedback). If you want to complain, speculate or anything else than recieve technical assistance, then please find another forum dedicated to that.

There has been a few work arounds discussed such as hosting a local server and syncing with it locally. I also suggested restoring from a time machine backup to a previous version of Mac OS X, which is supported by Apple in the past. We want to help, not hear whining.