Q: How to locally sync an iPhone with OS X Mavericks? iCloud is NOT an option.

If you're paranoid about government snooping, open source encryption is worth exactly what you pay for it.

I fail to understand why people are so paranoid about possible government snooping of your contacts and calendar data. They already know who you call, who calls you, and where you go based on your cell phone records.

If you think a different smart phone or cloud service is going to be any different, you're deluded.

KiltedTim wrote:

 

If you're paranoid about government snooping, open source encryption is worth exactly what you pay for it.

 

I fail to understand why people are so paranoid about possible government snooping of your contacts and calendar data. They already know who you call, who calls you, and where you go based on your cell phone records.

 

If you think a different smart phone or cloud service is going to be any different, you're deluded.

You are off topic, provide a technical solution to justify your Level 7.

I don't have to justify squat to you. The question asked has already been addressed. The feature does not exist in mavericks.

Why you people have such a difficult time coming to grips with reality, I don't know, but that's the way it is.

If you don't like it, then don't use mavericks.

KiltedTim wrote:

 

I don't have to justify squat to you. The question asked has already been addressed. The feature does not exist in mavericks.

 

Why you people have such a difficult time coming to grips with reality, I don't know, but that's the way it is.

 

If you don't like it, then don't use mavericks.

I do like winding you up. I can't work out if you are an Apple sycophant (the futue is Maverick live with it) or an Apple destroyer, "If you don't like it, then don't use mavericks". In other words don't buy a new iMac or Macbook because they will all be shipping with Maverick.

Surerly its better to strive to make the Apple product better for everyone, whatever their choice of sync might be for whatever reason.

伊藤R wrote:

 

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Bernd S.

There, fixed it for ya

@KiltedTim: First of all, I'm not paranoid about anything. Otherwise I would probably not be registered on a forum that is hosted on servers that belong to a company that doesn't take privacy and data protection all too serious. Second, AES256 encryption can most probably, if not centainly, not be decrypted with today's technology and the one that will be available in the near future. For exactly that reason government agencies of certain countries are trying to take influence on the development of new software which then provides either a backdoor, or  away to intercept the encryption key. While open source software can not fully remove this risk, it does dramatically lower it.

And finally: It is not about one missing feature. It is about the freedom of choice which Apple is taking away from it's customers (or consumers as Apple calls them nowadays) that made me think about all this. As I wrote in my first comment, I'm not even affected by all this since I'm not using Mavericks...

BTW: Why did Apple secretively removed this feature? I mean Apple is usually very eager to publish all new "features" in detail before they release a new product. Could it be possible that Apple imagined that people don't like it and kept it a secret because of that?

This forum doesn't exist for you to debate "freedom of choice".

As for Apple "secretively" removing Sync Services, that is a complete joke. Apple didn't "secretively" do anything. Sync Services was deprecates a while ago. This was well documented if you bothered to read the technical information available from Apple.

If you beleive that AES256 hasn't been broken, you apparently don't pay much attention to the news.

I just spoke with an Apple Tech Support persom who suggested that we complain directluy to Apple via their website:

www.apple.com/feedback

I did so and encourage everyone to bombard them with complaints until they change Mavericks to include local syncing.

KiltedTim wrote:

 

I fail to understand why people are so paranoid about possible government snooping of your contacts and calendar data. They already know who you call, who calls you, and where you go based on your cell phone records.

You need to go and learn about what your government is doing to foreign nationals.

Snooping on 3.5 million Spanish calls in one day. Forcing internet traffic through the US to justify recording & processing it.

Spying on the calls of at least 35 international world leaders.

Stripping SSL from all major internet companies traffic to snoop the data.

The best part of it is that if you are in the metadata as contacting a 'foreign national' you also are a target (they go to 6 degrees of separation).

Keep arguing with people who have less ''blind faith" in your government, the reality is Apple deleted a feature that helped people keep their data a little bit more secure. 

Here is a slide indicating what the NSA do to Google, they also do it to Apple.

P.S. Simply having this image in your browser cache elevates the security level of all governent employees computers.

Z001 wrote:

 

Here is another pending solution from another discussion on this topic: https://discussions.apple.com/message/23673884?ac_cid=tw123456#23673884

Thanks for the heads up … there is hope ... good and smart people will respond with a working solution sooner or later if Apple doesn't. Just a matter of will and perseverance. Meantime the options suggested are:

- do not use OSX 10.9 … not an option for newest hardware users,

- do not upgrade to OSX 10.9 or downgrade if applicable … a dead end long term,

- use OSX Server … excessive and hindrance for a single user,

- use OSX 10.9 and iCloud … does not answer the question this discussion is all about:

How to locally sync an iPhone with OS X Mavericks? iCloud is NOT an option.

To the Tilted Kims participating in this discussion … lead, follow, or get out of the way.

handsOFFmydata wrote:

 

To the Tilted Kims participating in this discussion … lead, follow, or get out of the way.

As long as Tim doesn't violate the TOU (anymore that anyone else in the thread), he is as free to post here as anyone else, even if he disagrees with the premise of the thread.

伊藤R wrote:

 

@KiltedTim: First of all, I'm not paranoid about anything. Otherwise I would probably not be registered on a forum that is hosted on servers that belong to a company that doesn't take privacy and data protection all too serious.

It's a Public Forum, anyone can read it, whether or not the servers are encrypted.

I'm fully aware of what the government is doing. And if you believe that not syncing your contacts and calendars to a cloud service will protect you in some way, you're just plain delusional.

BTW: Why did Apple secretively removed this feature? I mean Apple is usually very eager to publish all new "features" in detail before they release a new product.

SyncServices (the OS X framework that allowed local syncing) is not a end-user feature. It is a framework that Apple and third-party developers use in their applications. Most OS X users have never heard of it because it is not something that is visible to end users. Occasionally a third-party application may mention it (such as in MS Office preferences) but in general, it is not something end users know about or need to know about.

Over two years ago Apple published to their developer website that this framework was being deprecated as of OS X 10.7 and was to be removed entirely at a later date. This was done so long ago, to give developers who use it ample opportunity to create alternative solutions or use different OS X frameworks to provide syncing. Its discontinuation was no secret to the people who actually used it in their applications.

Obviously, this does have a knock-on effect for end users who use the applications that made use of SyncServices, but there has been plenty of time for third-party developers to create alternative (local) syncing solutions if they wish. Clearly, Apple's product roadmap is for cloud syncing, so it's up to third-party developers to fill the gap in local syncing if they wish.

Apple is not obliged to provide every possible product feature available to Mac users, otherwise there would be no market for third-party software. If a third-party developer thinks there is a viable market for a local syncing solution, then no doubt someone will develop one. But it seems clear that local syncing is not something Apple intends to provide, otherwise they would've been creating an alternative solution while SyncServices was deprecated (during the two years that 10.7 and 10.8 were released, before 10.9 came out).

Personally, I think it would be more worthwhile contacting third-party developers like Elitima Software or Markspace with existing sync software and showing that there is a viable market for a Mac local sync solution. If they know there is a huge amount of interest in such a product, it is much more likely they will invest the time and money needed to create it.

Maybe one of the next steps is, write data files directly to the cloud.

No more to a computers internal HD.

Then, everything, your ideas, your developement, your tecnology, your private, your contacts, your photos is on a server, but not your server, and  like today without encryption. Or with encryption and backdoor.

Do you like such a  future?

Do you like a terminal connected to a cloud instead of a real computer OS?

You will rent iWorks or Office hourly or Photoshop, paying through a service like we pay for apps.

The point is, let the industry know, what  WE want !

Dont let them think, that it is unimportant to us.