Q: How to locally sync an iPhone with OS X Mavericks? iCloud is NOT an option.

It seems snozdop, petermac87, Meg St._Clair and kiltedtim (and now Csound1) cannot understand what's goign on here and the logic behind that. Enough links and proof was brought up but they resist to connect the dots. I have little hope that there's the chance of helping them out on this. Calling people who are willing to keep control over their private data "paranoid" is disrespectful and unhelpful in every way. The comments by those people are classic troll comments discrediting valid user worries.

DiederikStaay: I suggest we all just acknowledge the existance of KiltedTim, Snozdog, Petewhatever and the likes of them and  leave them be. We can discuss this while skipping their contributions. Ignore is the way to go.

-> sounds like the best we can make of this. Let's ignore them.

RobertRTillman: Thanks. Absolutely true and valid post 09.11.2013 07:23. You speak my mind.

What you're experiencing is apparently a "fury" of some sort. It's common for people whose functionality has been taken away from them in "upgrades" to experience such feelings.

This article sums the whole situation up quite well.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/07/apple_mandates_icloud_contact_syncing/

Beware the apple fine print.

I agree with Babaqum and others henceforth to ignore those who do not understand the problem.

Let me summarise the situation first, then give a few comments:

(1) summary of situation ante-Mavericks:

1.1-- possible to sync locally a variety of data (not just calendar and contacts)

1.2-- possible to sync non-iOS devices

(2) summary of situation post-Mavericks:

2.1-- sync of calendar and contacts via iCloud

2.2-- possibility to sync calendar and contacts locally only if installing calDAV and cardDav server locally

2.3-- everything else impossible (until software appears from third parties or is written by user)

(3) there are legal spaces outside the USA where the post-Mavericks situation poses legal problems for some users.

(4) some mobile devices have lost some functions because of the change.

Some Apple clients, (some long-time) are not happy with the post-Mavericks situation.  They are free to stop using Apple's products and migrate elsewhere.

So far the facts as I understand them.

The "fury" brollyjohn refers to is not so much about taking away the functionality but about the lack of notice and the lack of alternatives (I repeat again that installing a server locally does not solve the problem of syncing other data, point 1.1 and 2.3).

When your own house on your own land is appropriated for some project (a new motorway, say, or a new high-speed train track) then you have ample warning, right to appeal, and right to compensation.  The process also gets media coverage.

The previous changeove of this kind was when Apple dropped the PPC emulator from Lion.  I lost use of the software with which I was most productive.  It took me over two years to recover, and in fact I still have not got back to the level I would like. But I was warned and there were alternatives.

Babaqum wrote:

 

It seems snozdop, petermac87, Meg St._Clair and kiltedtim (and now Csound1) cannot understand what's goign on here and the logic behind that.

We understand the problem. We also understand that no one here can change what Apple has done. You can submit feedback, you can spring for the Mavericks server or you can continue to search for another solution. How you feel about what Apple has done, why you don't like it are really not appropriate topics for this technical support forum. Insisting that we "don't understand what's goign on" because we may not share your concerns or your passion about them is just silly.

Best of luck.

Meg St._Clair wrote:

 

Insisting that we "don't understand what's goign on" because we may not share your concerns or your passion about them is just silly.

 

Best of luck.

If you don't share our concerns, what are you doing on this forum then? It is clearly a discussion between people who DO have concerns. No-one, really no-one, is interested in your not having concerns. Again, lead, follow or get out of the way. What is so hard about that?

DiederikStaay wrote:

 

If you don't share our concerns, what are you doing on this forum then? It is clearly a discussion between people who DO have concerns. No-one, really no-one, is interested in your not having concerns. Again, lead, follow or get out of the way. What is so hard about that?

As has been noted before, as long as the Terms of Use are not violated, anyone is free to post in the thread. Feel free to ignore any posts you chose.

Diederik, het is niet nodig je "bot" te gedragen, dat doe je ook niet in B&B. Dit forum is in eerste instantie bedoeld om mensen met problemen te helpen, niet om meningen en standpunten te monopoliseren.

Ik mis de locale backup ook (vooral omdat ik vaak op plaatsen ben waar geen internet verbinding is), maar alle leveranciers hebben dezelfde stap gemaakt. Vergelijk Google e.a.. Ik ondersteun de petitie, maar ik ondersteun niet dat anderen geen andere mening mogen hebben dan de jouwe.

Lex

"Administrators" should pay attention to users comments and try to calm the discussion instead of amplify this troll thread with useless interventions, often ironic, taking some users for idiots.

Everyone here has enjoyed the Apple's ecosystem and everyone has the right to express a problem that he may have with Apple's hardware or with Apple's softwares.

The problem raised is a real problem for some users using Apple's devices, especially in a professional setting. This is a serious regression of usability. In this case Apple's ecosystem can becoming meaningless.

mixib wrote:

 

"Administrators" should pay attention to users comments and try to calm the discussion instead of amplify this troll thread with useless interventions, often ironic, taking some users for idiots.

There are not enough Hosts to patrol the forums. Users (Level 2 and above) can report posts for violations of the TOU. The Hosts will then evaluate them and make a decision. Beyond that, the Hosts do not tend to influence the tone or directions of threads. Irony is not a TOU violation.

Dear Lex,

I understand your message. I merely try to point out that there is no real contribution to the heartfelt concerns of many by the people that are still hammering on the status quo. I don't understand their drive to keep telling everybody here that there is no solution and that we shouldn't be concerned. It would be the civil thing to do to let us be. That's the only point of my remarks. But I requested that a couple of pages back already. Of course everybody is entitled to their opinion, but repetition doesn't make them more helpful.

I hope you don't mind me sticking to English for all our non Dutch speaking contributors to this post. :-)

The "heartfelt concerns" of those rambling on here about this "problem" are irrelevant.

This is a technical support forum. The question has been answered over and over again. Whining about how you "feel" about the change is pointless.

If you have 'concerns', then tell Apple instead of continuing to spew this nonsense in the forums.

Diederik, I don't mind,

your concern is the reason why I said it in our language.

Lex

The problem is that while many of us have told Apple through the channels approved by you and others, there is no sense that anyone in the company is listening. For those of us that use Apple devices in a business context and need to conform to non US data protection laws (and where would Apple be if it only made and sold stuff in the US), this 'upgrade' comes close to bricking their products as business tools.

One final point not solely addressed to you: I do not understand why people on fora feel it is acceptable to be rude, aggressive and snide in a manner most of them would never consider in a face to face conversation, however good their medical insurance. Shouting in people's faces is not the best way to be heard.

Less heat and more light please.

fred242 wrote:

 

The problem is that while many of us have told Apple through the channels approved by you and others, there is no sense that anyone in the company is listening.

No, the problem is that the people whining about the issue here can't seem to get it through their heads that Apple does not participate in these forums.

Sometimes there is no way to get a point across other than through sheer brute force.