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Q: Logic Pro X and Mavericks

For anyone thinking about upgrading to Mavericks...... (OS X 10.9)

 

Firstly, don't upgrade straight away!!!!!

 

Only do so if you have full clone backups of your system HD. Use something like Carbon Copy Cloner or Superduper! to make a clone of your current  system disk before you try and install Mavericks... and please do not rely on Time Machine backups.. as in the past, these types of backups have no provided full protection after upgrading the OS. Only a decent cloned image of your system drive, that you can easily and quickly restore from, will provide you with that safety net just in case anything goes wrong... so you can just restore from the cloned image and be back where you started from prior to the upgrade to 10.9

 

Wait a few days until some of the Users here and elsewhere..  have tested out the combination of LPX and the Public Release version of Mavericks.... I know it's very tempting to use the 'latest and greatest' stuff... but if you rely on your current setup in any real sense... hold off and see what the general option is in regards to compatibility with Drivers/Hardware and Software/plugins etc.... and you will save yourself a lot of potential headaches....

 

The most common issues after performing a major OS X upgrade are;

 

1) Driver/hardware incompatibility,...... Do not upgrade unless you know for sure your Audio/Midi interfaces have drivers with full Mavericks compatibility, ready for installation. Check with the device's Websites before even thinking about upgrading! No update or comfirmation of working fine? Don't upgrade!!

 

2) 3rd party apps and plugin incompatibility. Again, wait and confirm any plugins and other apps you use/need are fully 10.9 compatibile.... before upgrading.

 

3) Initial bugs.... All OS updates will have some bugs in them initially. .. Its the 'nature of the beast'. No matter how much Beta testing is done, bugs do and will slip through the cracks.... So, wait until at least the first couple of bug fixes are released to correct these enevitable issues... before making the transition.

 

The above is just some friendly advice from someone who has made all of these mistakes in the past (and paid for it!)  It's your choice to follow it or ignore it of course...... but history tells us that those who just charge ahead and upgrade tend to suffer for it later.. Just looking at the hundreds of posts that were made here by users with issues.. after Mountain Lion was released.. willl confirm this....

 

Cheers..

Logic Pro X, OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.5), Motu UltraLite V3

Posted on Oct 22, 2013 1:22 PM

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  • by skijumptoes,

    skijumptoes skijumptoes Dec 15, 2013 7:47 AM in response to blaqueruestir
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    Dec 15, 2013 7:47 AM in response to blaqueruestir

    blaqueruestir,

     

    Being a pirate is one thing, and implying that good helpful people on here are ***'s is another, but on top of that being such a deliberate blatant liar really is really pushing things somewhat.

     

    Check this link out:  http://bit.ly/18tscT9  - Is that some crazy coincendence that not only are you installing from a disk image, but that the google search results for the image you have matches pages of illegal bit torrent downloads?

     

    Generally, i think most people accept that piracy happens with audio software, especially when combining expensive software and the 'curious' home/hobby market.  But then something like LPX comes along, and honestly, it's an absolute steal for you what you get and it really takes the p*** that musicians/producers would pirate it, in fact it gets me down to think about it as they're probably wearing jackets/trainers that would cost near the same.

     

    On top of that you're potentially going to be making money selling music from the app (And it's included content) too : https://discussions.apple.com/message/22983316#22983316

     

    Do the right thing man! And you'll be supporting future versions.

  • by blaqueruestir,

    blaqueruestir blaqueruestir Dec 15, 2013 11:04 AM in response to The Art Of Sound
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    Dec 15, 2013 11:04 AM in response to The Art Of Sound

    Thanks for settling that..

  • by John Curley,

    John Curley John Curley Dec 15, 2013 12:18 PM in response to blaqueruestir
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    Dec 15, 2013 12:18 PM in response to blaqueruestir

    The following is my opinion. Without making assumptions about anyone's honesty, I'd like to chime in on the subject. Logic Pro X is an incredible program at a very fair price. I think it's the best DAW deal out there by a long shot. When people buy it, they are not only supporting future versions but the larger idea of excellent software at a fair price. I migrated to Logic because I didn't like AVID's upgrade policies (and hardware restrictions until recently). Waves treats their paying customers like theives by default and their paid upgrade policies suck, too. Logic's plug-ins are the best included plug-ins of all the DAWs I've used. I know many honest people that have tried a cracked plug-in, liked it and paid for the legit version. Smart companies offer fully-functional demos. UAD is a great example. There's no really excuse for using stolen software to make money for yourself. It's gross. And if you're using cracked software in a commercial studio, you'rer also an idiot asking for an increased risk of crashes, downtime and unhappy customers that may not even know you're using stolen property on their sessions and charging them for the privledge.

  • by John Curley,

    John Curley John Curley Dec 15, 2013 12:19 PM in response to skijumptoes
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    Dec 15, 2013 12:19 PM in response to skijumptoes

    Well said!

  • by Pancenter,

    Pancenter Pancenter Dec 15, 2013 12:28 PM in response to John Curley
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    Dec 15, 2013 12:28 PM in response to John Curley

    John Curley wrote:

     

    The following is my opinion. Without making assumptions about anyone's honesty, I'd like to chime in on the subject. Logic Pro X is an incredible program at a very fair price. I think it's the best DAW deal out there by a long shot. When people buy it, they are not only supporting future versions but the larger idea of excellent software at a fair price.

     

    +1

  • by blaqueruestir,

    blaqueruestir blaqueruestir Dec 15, 2013 12:31 PM in response to John Curley
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    Dec 15, 2013 12:31 PM in response to John Curley

    Wait a sec, did ANYONE read Everything that I wrote, or are again, making assumptions and taking sides?

    This thread is really pathetic, beyond the fact that I got what I paid for, it works and I explained it, some of you must feel some some righteous need to harp on a dead issue.

    Opinions and assumptions are closely related....and when I want one, I know where to find them. #this thread.

    GIVE IT A REST ALREADY.

  • by Pancenter,

    Pancenter Pancenter Dec 15, 2013 1:00 PM in response to blaqueruestir
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    Dec 15, 2013 1:00 PM in response to blaqueruestir

    I think these are general comments not directed at you, at least most of them.

  • by skijumptoes,

    skijumptoes skijumptoes Dec 15, 2013 1:04 PM in response to blaqueruestir
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    Dec 15, 2013 1:04 PM in response to blaqueruestir

    Sorry for assuming what i did, and of course, for being pathetic, i've just re-read what you've written and wrongly developed a righteous need be a hero.  I honestly don't know what come over me lolz!!1

     

    If you need any help in future please be sure to post back, and happy recording/producing!!

  • by blaqueruestir,

    blaqueruestir blaqueruestir Dec 15, 2013 1:36 PM in response to skijumptoes
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    Dec 15, 2013 1:36 PM in response to skijumptoes

    Thank you. Maverick caused this nightmare...I have been deleting, updating and restarting my system ever since I updated to maverick. Almost lost data from my external hard drives...

  • by Pancenter,

    Pancenter Pancenter Dec 15, 2013 1:56 PM in response to blaqueruestir
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    Dec 15, 2013 1:56 PM in response to blaqueruestir

    blaqueruestir wrote:

     

    Thank you. Maverick caused this nightmare...I have been deleting, updating and restarting my system ever since I updated to maverick. Almost lost data from my external hard drives...

     

    What, you don't like bloated, slow operating systems! 

  • by warnergt,

    warnergt warnergt Dec 15, 2013 5:01 PM in response to Pancenter
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    Dec 15, 2013 5:01 PM in response to Pancenter

    Pancenter wrote:

     

    What, you don't like bloated, slow operating systems! 

     

    I see I'm not the only one who noticed that Mavericks runs like molasses.  It starts up more slowly, apps take longer to launch, dialog boxes take longer to open, it shuts down more slowly.

    Now, we find out that it also breaks a lot of apps including Logic Pro 9 before version 9.1.8.  I had purposely downgraded from 9.1.8 to 9.1.7 because 9.1.8 "phones home" too much.  Apps that phone home are BS.  This is something I would expect from Microsoft; not Apple.

  • by The Art Of Sound,

    The Art Of Sound The Art Of Sound Dec 15, 2013 6:26 PM in response to warnergt
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    Dec 15, 2013 6:26 PM in response to warnergt

    if you are really worried about Apps 'phoning home' just use Little Snitch.. though frankly, in the case of LP9 there were very few differences between 9.1.8 and 9.1.7 in real terms of what was actually being transmitted 'back home'.at startup of LP and in reality, you would have to roll back to a version earlier than 9.1.6 (when the new code was added as part of the 'App Store' release and the old "Check Local network for multiple copies of LP running at the same time" code was removed..) to see any true differences in such behavior... Unfortunately the new code was buggy and didn't 'release' correctly if a slow network connection was found.. as it was supposed to do... hence some of the issues...

     

    Previous updates to 9.1.6, in manual download format, can be found here, if you are interested...

     

    http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1519

     

    As far as 10.9 is concerned.. one of the major reasons for the 'slow down' is the currently somewhat buggy Power Nap feature with certain apps...  I personally turn it off whenever I can (Via the get info dialog box.. though not all apps allow you to) .. so for example, I turned it off for LPX.. and most of my 3rd party stuff... which seems to me at least, to have improved matters to a degree.. but sadly you cannot turn it off for two of the apparent,  major offenders which are Mail and Safari...

     

    Finally, reading your console diagnostic log when these slowdowns occur, can be very illuminating as to the true cause... If its not the PN feature... then some are caused simply by the bloated code in 10.9 for sure.. but others are caused by things like Java issues... SMB problems with certain other computers on the same network.. USB3 devices (or USB2 on USB3 ports)  not 'waking up' correctly causing long wait times between actions or even extended 'hangs' and 'beachballing'...and so on...

     

    .

  • by Blueberry,

    Blueberry Blueberry Dec 15, 2013 7:20 PM in response to warnergt
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    Dec 15, 2013 7:20 PM in response to warnergt

    Sorry, but "phone home" implies that potentially personal data is transmitted _to_ somebody. That is not the case with Logic, it merely checks for content updates at launch. You are worse off by using an older version.

  • by warnergt,

    warnergt warnergt Dec 15, 2013 7:29 PM in response to The Art Of Sound
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    Dec 15, 2013 7:29 PM in response to The Art Of Sound

    I use Little Snitch.  That's how I know Logic Pro 9 9.1.8 is phoning home.  And it doesn't just contact one site; it contacts multiple sites.  Why so many sites for merely checking for content updates?

  • by The Art Of Sound,

    The Art Of Sound The Art Of Sound Dec 15, 2013 7:45 PM in response to warnergt
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    Dec 15, 2013 7:45 PM in response to warnergt

    The various "sites' are actually the same thing... They are just different addresses/locations used by different routing.. to achieve the same thing....

     

    You have got to love Akamai anyhow.......

     

    http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2013/10/23/akamai-warns-of-risks-after-apple-windfal l/

     

    Anyhow...

     

    As was related by Thorn at Def Con 17.....

     

    "A small amount of healthy paranoia can be a worthwhile undertaking... but a little too much, especially when one is uninformed... will just drive you nuts"

     

     

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