John Dorsey

Q: Mavericks Finder - how default to "double click opens new window"?

I am old and set in my ways.  I like having the Finder open a new window when I double click a folder.  Since 1984 I've arranged Finder windows in positions and sizes that suit me and I have never seen any reason to change.

 

In Mavericks however there does not seem to be a way to default to, "double click opens new Finder window".  My choices under Finder preferences are, open in the same window; or open in a tab.  I don't care for either.

 

Does anyone know of a way to restore the traditional Finder behavior in Mavericks?  Thanks in advance.

Mac Pro, OS X Mavericks (10.9), 18 GB RAM

Posted on Oct 22, 2013 5:54 PM

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  • by petermac87,

    petermac87 petermac87 Dec 18, 2013 3:47 PM in response to Adam Woodhams
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    Dec 18, 2013 3:47 PM in response to Adam Woodhams

    That is the correct approach. Use that link to tell Apple. I think you are finally realizing your options. I will be here if you need any further info on the correct channels of complaint.

     

    Cheers

     

    Pete

  • by Adam Woodhams,

    Adam Woodhams Adam Woodhams Dec 18, 2013 4:38 PM in response to petermac87
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    Dec 18, 2013 4:38 PM in response to petermac87

    petermac87 wrote:

     

    That is the correct approach. Use that link to tell Apple. I think you are finally realizing your options. I will be here if you need any further info on the correct channels of complaint.

     

    Cheers

     

    Pete

    Ahhhh, no, it may come as a surprise to you pete but I was aware of those options and had exercised them (repeatedly) well before you (repeatedly) mentioned them.
    I come to these forums to seek advice from other users, to look for confirmation of issues, seek work-arounds and, yes, to vent, when Apple does pointless and frustrating things like this.

    Why do you come here pete? You just seem to regurgitate the same stuff in almost every thread you visit?

  • by petermac87,

    petermac87 petermac87 Dec 18, 2013 4:48 PM in response to Adam Woodhams
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    Dec 18, 2013 4:48 PM in response to Adam Woodhams

    Adam Woodhams wrote:

     

    petermac87 wrote:

     

    That is the correct approach. Use that link to tell Apple. I think you are finally realizing your options. I will be here if you need any further info on the correct channels of complaint.

     

    Cheers

     

    Pete

    Ahhhh, no, it may come as a surprise to you pete but I was aware of those options and had exercised them (repeatedly) well before you (repeatedly) mentioned them.
    I come to these forums to seek advice from other users, to look for confirmation of issues, seek work-arounds and, yes, to vent, when Apple does pointless and frustrating things like this.

    Why do you come here pete? You just seem to regurgitate the same stuff in almost every thread you visit?

    Yes, some people come here to vent, so they need to be reminded of their options and the fact that Apple are not here. I also help a lot of users solve their problems, which I have done on many many occasions.

     

    But that really isn't any of your business. And certainly not relevant to this thread.

     

    Your ONLY option (you say options) is, as you finally conceded is

     

    FEEDBACK    http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

     

    Rolling back to Mountain Lion does nothing to restore this feature in Mavericks.

     

    And remember, don't let your venting turn to ranting, as that also is against the TOU you agreed to here.

     

    Cheers

     

    Pete

  • by The Dude Abides,

    The Dude Abides The Dude Abides Dec 18, 2013 5:34 PM in response to petermac87
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    Dec 18, 2013 5:34 PM in response to petermac87

    The thing of it is, Pete, you really AREN'T helping anyone here on THIS thread.  I can't say about what help you give on other threads.  But here you simply repeat the same thing over and over again.  Everyone who reads the thread knows your position.  There's no need to keep popping in and repeating it.  You've had your say, you are not a mod, if you can bring nothing new to the party perhaps you should simply not post on this thread anymore.

     

    You warn about venting turning to ranting, yet you accused me of ranting when I gave a reasoned and clearly-defined view of what was going on re double-clicking being removed from our workflow options and my opinion of the direction Apple was taking with the computer OS.  I could point out that your posting take on some of the aspects of a rant, as you keep repeating the same thing over and over again, even though it has been pointed out to you over and over again that you are not helping by posting.   The most recent series of posts by Adam and others have been literate and to the point.  They are exactly what is called for here, and are also clearly within the terms we all operate under.  There is no reason for you or anyone else to step in and  point out how they are incorrect, how they are finally getting the relevancy of posting feedback, or that something "really isn't any of your business."  That smacks of elitism, and we are all equal here.  Many of us have been here for more than a decade. (it's easy to check on each user and see how long they've been on this board, Pete), and have come to expect a level of politeness that I am not seeing in this thread from you.  

     

    Many of the people posting here have been Level 1's and Level 2's, which I personally think is an excellent sign that new posters/users are stepping up.  I see no need for you to attempt to quash their right to post here by telling them continuosly to deal with the change, and that they should should have known what would happen when they updated.  (And if they didn't, it was their own fault.)  Everyone has the right to post here, even people who disagree with you.  As, I must say, virtually every poster here has done.

     

    Just about everyone on this thread knows how to use the feedback option.  Reiterating over and over again that it is there does no good.  Telling people who roll back to ML that they should now not be posting on a Maverick thread is ridiculous.  They rolled back because of problems with Maverick, of course they should talk about it here. Telling people that this is a user thread and then telling people what they should know/have known, or what they should do, makes you sound like you are somehow in charge.  You are not. 

     

    This thread serves a purpose.  It has been helpful for people to read others' problems re workflow issues arising from the change in double-clicking of folders.  I hope it continues.  I also hope that, respectfully, you drop out of it, as you doing nothing to help here, and are actually creating some hard feelings with your obstinancy and apparent feeling of superiority.  You are, again, not a mod (nor am I).  Let it be, for everyone's sake.  This is a good site, and this thread can survive and, possibly, flourish without you.

     

    Thank you.

  • by Adam Woodhams,

    Adam Woodhams Adam Woodhams Dec 18, 2013 5:47 PM in response to petermac87
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    Dec 18, 2013 5:47 PM in response to petermac87

    Sighhh... I in fact 'finally conceded' (as you seem so determined to claim victory) 5 pages ago on the 20th of November when I said "And incidentally I have now sent Apple four messages through the feedback form & this week mailed a letter to Apple Australia & Apple US." 
    And really? Perhaps adhere to your own advice.

  • by petermac87,

    petermac87 petermac87 Dec 18, 2013 5:50 PM in response to The Dude Abides
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    Dec 18, 2013 5:50 PM in response to The Dude Abides

    Interesting. So what other solutions has all this discussion provided beside contacting Apple? Did I miss something? I will drop back in now and then to see how things are progressing, just like everyone else is entitled to in these forums.

     

    Thanks for the suggestions put I think I'll pass.

     

    Cheers

     

    Pete

  • by petermac87,

    petermac87 petermac87 Dec 18, 2013 5:52 PM in response to Adam Woodhams
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    Dec 18, 2013 5:52 PM in response to Adam Woodhams

    No thanks Adam. Just glad to see you following the only option at present to have this reinstalled in Mavericks. I don't appear to be repeating myself anymore than certain others in this thread.

     

    Cheers

     

    Pete

  • by The Dude Abides,

    The Dude Abides The Dude Abides Dec 18, 2013 6:16 PM in response to petermac87
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    Dec 18, 2013 6:16 PM in response to petermac87

    Everyone is welcome to "drop back in..." as they please.  Many people are, indeed, repeating much the same thing.  However, they are seeking help when they do so, and your posts are not  helping them.  Many people have suggested workarounds.  You have not.  No one here, with the exception of you, has taken an attitude of superiority.  No one else here has presented a (closing) salutation of false bonhomie after telling someone something that sounds a bit like a putdown.  You are also not a "traffic cop," directing people in the direction you feel is "correct."  Or a social arbiter, able to state what is "right" or "wrong."  You are simply someone who has been here since early 2012, no better than anyone else.  We are all the same here, and your insisting on the right to drop back in whenever you feel like it and stir the pot sounds a bit suspect to me.  Again, if you have nothing new to add, and you insist of acting as if you are somehow in charge here, it just creates feelings of discomfort for the rest of us.  

     

     

     

    Thank you.

  • by petermac87,

    petermac87 petermac87 Dec 18, 2013 6:22 PM in response to The Dude Abides
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    Dec 18, 2013 6:22 PM in response to The Dude Abides

    I disagree.

     

    Pete

  • by Alex Geis,

    Alex Geis Alex Geis Dec 18, 2013 11:21 PM in response to John Dorsey
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    Dec 18, 2013 11:21 PM in response to John Dorsey

    The concept of poster level definitly does not make much of a difference these days. I used to have over 10,000 points and a regular on the xsan/xserve/xraid boards back in the day before Apple hatcheded the pro line. Then the discussion boards were rehauled and my score reset to 0. Haven't bothered building it up, since even though there are some great people on here with wonderful feedback, the majority of the discussions have gone the way of the fanboy in the past 2 years. It was inevitable, so I don't cry about it.

     

    With that said, two of the critical points of this discussion is actually keeping the back and forth alive and active to let others know of this problem (as I even found the post back on page 4 via a google search), as well as possible answers to this problem given Apple's reluctance to pay attention. It sounds like many people have left feedback and 10.9.1 didn't take into consideration. Unfortunately, the case may be that this will never be resolved and workarounds and third party solutions may be the way to go. For example, I've had some good experience with KeyRemap4MacBook for command-O, but alas not much help for the mouse double click.

     

    In addition, it is important to keep an open mind and not pigeon hole this issue into the idea that it's simlpy a "UI/UX decision on Apple's part to make the OS more modern or savvy or whatever." I personally beg to differ that this, in some cases, is a fundemental functionality flaw and all scenarios need to be taken into consideration. I use 3 different machines regularly through the day for work. On my MacbookPro, I've somewhat adapted, but I still find myself inadvertantly double clicking, throwing an explative here and there, attempting to do control-left arrow out of habit, not having it go to the previous folder, and then having to actually click the back button (which is far more than 2 steps). I have not upgraded on either my macpro or my mac mini at my work desk because one uses a wacom tablet and the other used a magic mouse. In that case, when I'm on my handheld phone, there is no physical way to open a new window with double click, as I do not use mapped buttons on my pen. In addition, I purposesly have my magic mouse fixed to have simple clicking when pressing down anywhere and had no plans to bother myself with contextual menus to open a folder, which is 3 steps (click, move, click).

     

    For the time being, I'll continue to actively visit this board to see if there are any new recommendations from the people on here who have been making a wonderful effort to come up with something. Kudos to all of you. For everyone else who continues to just recommend that we should accept it or just keeping posting to Apple... if you don't have anything to contribute, learn to keep your snobbery to yourself. I for one am not interested in accepting the status quo of mediocraty. If i were, I'd go buy a box with Windows on it.

  • by petermac87,

    petermac87 petermac87 Dec 18, 2013 11:37 PM in response to Alex Geis
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    Dec 18, 2013 11:37 PM in response to Alex Geis

    Well said

     

    Pete

  • by The Dude Abides,

    The Dude Abides The Dude Abides Dec 19, 2013 7:06 AM in response to petermac87
    Level 4 (1,835 points)
    Dec 19, 2013 7:06 AM in response to petermac87

    "For everyone else who continues to just recommend that we should accept it or just keeping posting to Apple... if you don't have anything to contribute, learn to keep your snobbery to yourself"

     

    That part was well said?

     

    Alex- I, too, lost a large number of points sometime in, I think, 2004 or thereabouts, although for some reason my Level 4 was continued.  I asked Apple about it and couldn't get any kind of a straight answer.  That's why my points don't seem to line up with my level.  And I agree that Level should not impact the value of a post.  Many of the people offering solutions on this thread are no higher than Level 2, and their posts have been helpful to many others.

     

    As to your post, IN ITS ENTIRETY, I agree wholeheartedly.  And, as I said, the number of Level 1 and 2 people coming here is heartening.  New blood is needed here to keep the boards fresh.  One of the reasons I began posting less was that people were coming in and just running up their numbers.  Quantity is not quality. Originally (I began posting when we were at 10.0.3), these pages were for all users to help each other, there were no Apple mods here (although Apple workers lurked in the background and occasionally posted), as we all tried to make sense of the leap from OS 9 to OS X.   Lots of people helped lots of other people with issues on the new system.  No "holier than thou" attitudes, just sincere help.  It was especially fun because all of the kexts were out in the open, and all you had to do to brick your machine was to move one of them.  Hence the "hidden" files we have now.  Many people came on with issues that others had just had, and found help.  It was a real community.  Along about 10.4 things really changed here, and many of us either dropped out or just stayed in the background.  I still keep an eye out here, but am content to stay out of things unless something really needs to be said.  As I have been doing here on this thread. 

     

    Community (from the Apple dictionary):

    2 a feeling of fellowship with others, as a result of sharing common attitudes, interests, and goals.

  • by petermac87,

    petermac87 petermac87 Dec 19, 2013 11:37 AM in response to The Dude Abides
    Level 5 (7,402 points)
    Dec 19, 2013 11:37 AM in response to The Dude Abides

    Yes the good old days. Times change along with OSXs which are being released at a much more rapid rate and  bringing with them a host of new issues for people. Peoe don't get eleven updates like in 10.4 anymore. Five in Mountain Lion then bingo, new OSX. The constants are not there anymore. So neither, it seems, is the patience of the consumer.

     

    Pete

  • by Adam Woodhams,

    Adam Woodhams Adam Woodhams Dec 19, 2013 3:03 PM in response to petermac87
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    Dec 19, 2013 3:03 PM in response to petermac87

    petermac87 wrote:

     

    Yes the good old days. Times change along with OSXs which are being released at a much more rapid rate...

     

    Pete

    Really?
    Major OS updates (not incremental tweaking) have generally occurred at a very consistent pace with Apple.
    Apart from the nearly six year gap between System 7 & OS 8 and the occasional 2 or nearly 3 year anomaly Apple has released a new OS virtually every year since System 1 in 1984.

    If anything major OS updates have slowed-down in the last few years.

  • by Adam Woodhams,

    Adam Woodhams Adam Woodhams Dec 19, 2013 3:08 PM in response to Alex Geis
    Level 1 (30 points)
    Dec 19, 2013 3:08 PM in response to Alex Geis

    Alex Geis wrote:

     

    ...For everyone else who continues to just recommend that we should accept it or just keeping posting to Apple... if you don't have anything to contribute, learn to keep your snobbery to yourself. I for one am not interested in accepting the status quo of mediocraty. If i were, I'd go buy a box with Windows on it.

    Thank you Alex, a superbly articulate summation.
    Shame it's not being read correctly by those that need to take this on-board...

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