John Dorsey

Q: Mavericks Finder - how default to "double click opens new window"?

I am old and set in my ways.  I like having the Finder open a new window when I double click a folder.  Since 1984 I've arranged Finder windows in positions and sizes that suit me and I have never seen any reason to change.

 

In Mavericks however there does not seem to be a way to default to, "double click opens new Finder window".  My choices under Finder preferences are, open in the same window; or open in a tab.  I don't care for either.

 

Does anyone know of a way to restore the traditional Finder behavior in Mavericks?  Thanks in advance.

Mac Pro, OS X Mavericks (10.9), 18 GB RAM

Posted on Oct 22, 2013 5:54 PM

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  • by keriah,

    keriah keriah Mar 28, 2014 8:29 PM in response to katebat
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    Mar 28, 2014 8:29 PM in response to katebat

    Opt-Click is supposed to close the parent folder and open the folder clicked on.  If you want BOTH to stay open you need to (a) have the toolbar at the top in the hidden state and (b) click (simple click (double-click, no other keys held down) on the folder.  Then you will have both windows open.

     

    Alternatively (if you like your toolbar shown at the top) then right-click and you have the open to Open in a New Window for your folder.

  • by katebat,

    katebat katebat Mar 28, 2014 9:10 PM in response to keriah
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    Mar 28, 2014 9:10 PM in response to keriah

    Thank you very much from one very tired academic who tries hard but is still very sad the plugin doesn't work for folders that are children of other folders.  Appreciate the quick reply;  you are a gentleperson of mercy

  • by keriah,

    keriah keriah Mar 28, 2014 10:37 PM in response to katebat
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    Mar 28, 2014 10:37 PM in response to katebat

    Sorry about that!  I'm following two very long threads and each has its 'plug-in' that's being hotly discussed.  I mistook this thread for that other discussion.  I don't have SIMBL installed - apologies for going off course!!! 

     

    But I am a bit mystified by this situation.  I found this thread when I first upgraded to Mavericks and had the problem the OP posted.  But once I discovered that all I had to do was hide the Toolbar at the top of a window to regain the familiar double-click-a-folder-to-open-it-in-a-new-window behavior, I stopped looking for other solutions.  Sure it's a bit of a bother (when I visit a window that has a toolbar and I forget to hide it) but it's the least of the bothersome aspects of Mavericks (e.g., that my folder's column width settings are forgotten at seemingly random times).

     

    I don't know the behavior of your plug-in but if you can get back to the original state then I don't see why hiding the toolbar wouldn't work for you.  I have folders with children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren (etc.) -- some so deep that Excel grumbles.  I can open as deep as I like with a double-click.  (Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your issue??)

  • by spinyanteater,

    spinyanteater spinyanteater Mar 29, 2014 12:45 AM in response to katebat
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    Mar 29, 2014 12:45 AM in response to katebat

    katebat, I've been using Helgason's TheLostFinderNewWindow plugin for a couple of weeks now and it works fine for me on all windows including children and grandchildren of other folders.

     

    When I first installed it it didn't work even though I rebooted. However, for some reason it worked the next morning after the computer had been closed down overnight.

     

    It doesn't allow opt-click to close the old window, but I can live with that. I can't work with windows opening in the same window and I can't work without the toolbar and I thank Helgason again.

     

    One thing though katebat, please remember that this isn't a chat room and it's best if you post then wait a while before posing again to give people a chance to reply. We are all in different time zones and replies aren't necessarily going to be instant!

  • by AppyHorsey,

    AppyHorsey AppyHorsey Mar 29, 2014 4:27 PM in response to John Dorsey
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    Mar 29, 2014 4:27 PM in response to John Dorsey

    The only way I've found to do this, is to highlight the folder (that's inside another folder) and then go to "Action" in the folder toolbar. Click it. Then, hold down the OPTION KEY, and where it said, "Open Folder in New Tab" will now change to "Open Folder in New Window". Click it and your folder will open in a new window and the original folder window will still be there, too. (Whereas if you do not go thru the "Action" button to do this, but instead just hold down option while clicking to open the folder, the "original" folder will automatically close itself -- VERY Maddening!!) What the heck was Apple THINKING???

     

    OH, HEY!! I just now figured out that I can avoid SOME of the above... Highlight the folder (that's inside another folder) and then click on ACTION in the folder toolbar. Scroll to very bottom and it says "Open". Click that and it open in another window and the original folder window stays there!!

     

    STILL not as "easy" as it used to be, but at least "doable".

     

    Message was edited by: AppyHorsey

  • by FouLuz,

    FouLuz FouLuz Apr 11, 2014 12:16 AM in response to John Dorsey
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    Apr 11, 2014 12:16 AM in response to John Dorsey

    If you open a folder, let's say "Macintosh HD" you will notice that it will open with Two Toolbars. One on the left, and one on top. If you right clic on top of the window and select "Hide Toolbar", it will make this two Toolbars disappear. After that, every new window you open that is inside that folder will open on a new window.

     

    I think that can fix the problem.

  • by albabe Al Gordon,

    albabe Al Gordon albabe Al Gordon Apr 11, 2014 11:56 AM in response to FouLuz
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    Apr 11, 2014 11:56 AM in response to FouLuz

    Unless, of course, you want to keep the ToolBars.

  • by keriah,

    keriah keriah Apr 11, 2014 2:42 PM in response to albabe Al Gordon
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    Apr 11, 2014 2:42 PM in response to albabe Al Gordon

    albabe Al Gordon wrote:

    Unless, of course, you want to keep the ToolBars.

    And, personally, I do NOT want the ToolBar at the top.  I'd love to be able to suppress the ToolBar globally.  Is there a preference to "always hide" the ToolBar?

  • by Ricky Barnaby,

    Ricky Barnaby Ricky Barnaby Apr 11, 2014 2:45 PM in response to FouLuz
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    Apr 11, 2014 2:45 PM in response to FouLuz

    Just lose the silly toolbar and everythings sweet again.

  • by albabe Al Gordon,

    albabe Al Gordon albabe Al Gordon Apr 11, 2014 3:32 PM in response to Ricky Barnaby
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    Apr 11, 2014 3:32 PM in response to Ricky Barnaby

    Snappy comeback, Ricky.

  • by albabe Al Gordon,

    albabe Al Gordon albabe Al Gordon Apr 11, 2014 3:35 PM in response to keriah
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    Apr 11, 2014 3:35 PM in response to keriah

    Actually... The REAL point to me here is... Why can we "Open New Folders in New Windows" in one mode and not the other?  Why did the Authoritarian Designers at Apple make that decision?  That seems really weird to me.

  • by Kurt Lang,

    Kurt Lang Kurt Lang Apr 11, 2014 3:36 PM in response to Ricky Barnaby
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    Apr 11, 2014 3:36 PM in response to Ricky Barnaby

    That's just the problem. They're not silly to every user. Personally, I close the tool/task bars on every single folder I use and wish I could use a setting to permanently close them so I never, ever see them. Other users find them to be almost critical to the way they work and always want them visible.

  • by GaryCoyne,

    GaryCoyne GaryCoyne Apr 11, 2014 4:28 PM in response to Ricky Barnaby
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    Apr 11, 2014 4:28 PM in response to Ricky Barnaby

    Ricky,

     

    If you are being facetious than ignore the rest of this message.

     

    If you are not being facetious, than "HUH?" The whole background of this long running thread is that Apple changed something that's been consistent since the first Mac. There have been alterations and changes in this process but the fact that it's been there forever has initiated this stream of frustration.

     

    Now you want to lose the toolbar? If you want a preference to make it gone unless wanted, than fine. To each his own. But the day they lose the toolbar, is that last Mac OS I ever update. I customize that sucker, add icons for new folders, a trashcan to delete selected files, I can't imagine how I'd function without a fully functioning toolbar.

     

    But like I said, if you were being facetious, than you should not have read the last couple of paragraphs.

  • by FouLuz,

    FouLuz FouLuz Apr 12, 2014 3:48 AM in response to John Dorsey
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    Apr 12, 2014 3:48 AM in response to John Dorsey

    The point to the whole thing is that I'm usually up for every change that "improves" the experience. And I know that you cannot keep every little functionality since Tiger, for example, and that some things, have to be removed to keep going forward.

     

    But sometimes companies just remove features out of the blue, and force the user to re-make a new workflow based on the new/changed features.

     

    Handling windows opening, closure, and that in OSX since Tiger never changed until now. That's a lot of years of user experience you are negating with this design decision.

     

    For me, it would have been nice to put the actual windows management as standard configuration, but leaving the user to change back to old management system. That way you are showing that you think the new way is better, and that this feature will probably be removed in future versions.

     

    Anyway, I know it's a pain in the ***, but I'm pretty sure that there has to be some script or way to revert that behaviour. And if there's not, you, like me, and the rest of people will have to get along with this.

  • by Ricky Barnaby,

    Ricky Barnaby Ricky Barnaby Apr 12, 2014 6:55 AM in response to GaryCoyne
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    Apr 12, 2014 6:55 AM in response to GaryCoyne

    GaryCoyne I like the toolbar.  Langs comments ring very tyrue that some people use this and i can run with that idea completely.

    I am also dealing with frustrations from Apple at the moment. But the tread is not really just somewhere to rant and rave is it? No. me like eveyone else wants answers to the decision they have made that is bugging us all here.

    The answer for me without adding plug-ins and messing around with my Macs system is simply to lose the toolbar.

    This answer i gleaned from the pages of this very forum. it works. its an answer to the problem for me as i do not need the toolbar. but i do need the functionality of the opening closing windows by use of the keyboard.

    Sure it would be great to have it there, IF IF IF it did not mess up the behavior we all are used to, now miss, and want back.

    Apple have me on a knife edge at the moment and seriously considering taking a look at PC´s this year.

    I am shocked at the AMOUNT of problems i am having with Mac stuff just now. Its like it has reached a peak of problems and i am so so so tired that NONE of them have been addressed yet.

    If the thread is looked at by apple i would hope that reading between the lines they can see that there is a high level of discontent just now. not just in this thread but others also. Whats going on.

    But Pete who is ofton active on these threads has pointed out time and time again.

    Send comments directly to Apple.

    I am wholy on Petes side here and ihope that everyone here will do the same.

    Send the feedback to the right channel and lets hope, hope that we get through.

     

    This ones for my Buggy as **** iPhone that has poped the charts of problems.

    http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html

     

    This one is for the rest

    http://www.apple.com/feedback/

     

    Please please please pass them around

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