Pages 5 features checklist

cheekyjeremy wrote:

There seems to be a lot of reference to people waiting for Apple to fix these things. These things are not some overlooked glitch, or a programming problem. These changes are a fundamental direction change from professional to mom and pop make a letter to their kids. They wanted compatability with the ios versions, and rather than improving ios versions, they reduced the mac version down to the standard of the ios version.

While you may see the odd feature return, this is a fundamental change in how they see the product. As the product is now free, it is not like they are going to see a revenue decline from unhappy users.

2009 it is

They *are* glitches, just not in the software but instead in the lackwit who okayed this downgrade for release.

I don't care what product you make, you don't release something that does less than its predecessor and call it better. That's just ******* stupid, and gives your destractors an even bigger target to sling **** at.

Apple should have waited to release this until the iWork '13 for OS X was as feature complete as '09 is now. We've already been waiting for a few years, I wouldn't have minded waiting just a bit longer.

I can't work on '13 documents in '09 because of the lack of formatting tools, and I can't even open documents made in '13 on '09 even though there's less complexity in the documents made with '13.

Yes, Apple has made a fundamental change in direction, and then they got the gearbox stuck in reverse and slammed the pedal down.

Alignment guides are included. Turn them on in preferences.

Delete page is available when Document Body is unchecked in Document Setup.

littlekelli - you have to open teh 4.3 templates and save them as ordinary documents which you can opmn in Pages 5.0. In Pages 5.0 you can save them as templates to get them in the Pages 5.0 templates folder.

They could be added/opened before saving the document though.

Peter Thompson - the pull down guides in Pages Layout is not in the Pages 5.0

Peter Breis - Adding Word services doesn't work in Pages 5.0. I didn't test all option but of those I did only Statistic showed up. But Word services does still work on Pages 4.3 on Mavericks.

yeah, sure. in this case, I was the lightning rod, and broke none of the rules, did I.

It's not your tone that bothers me, but that you started off being objective and wound up speculating and badmouthing developers who are working hard to make things better. This is a x.0 release as I've said many times, and deserves patience and open-minds, not bashing and jumping to conclusions. Apple isn't trying to take things away from people. This is a rewrite and needs time. I'm not sure how many different ways I can state that. good lord.

PeterBreis0807 wrote:

robogobo wrote:

I already took this one earlier in the thread. I suggested browsing versions and restoring, but I'm sure you were too busy contacting the mods to have my posts removed to notice. Peter, you seem to be having trouble accepting change. Peter, you seem to be having trouble giving new things a chance. Peter, you seem to be having trouble trying to see any viewpoint other than your own. That post you had removed earlier was not the least bit offensive, broke no rules and was the plain and simple truth. You need to be a little more level headed here.

PeterBreis0807 wrote:

Hey Joey,

Can you take this one?

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5491243?tstart=0

Peter

Odd how you are always "sure".

I never contact the Mods, it was Apple, who you unquestioningly defend.

I am an absolute believer in free speech. The only thing I ever remove from my own Blogs is spam, and only that because it makes it hard to read the rest of the posts.

I love change, but not change for change's sake. Particularly downgrades posing as "upgrades". I run several OSes on several computers just for the heck of it, and to try different things. The same with software. I am constantly playing with and experimenting with software, which gives me a broad experience of what works and what doesn't. What is good design and what is just plain stupid. Particularly what seems self evident to me is the logic of usability.

I do understand you and your response to me. Steve Hawkings said one of the things that makes him a lightning rod for hatred is that he speaks clearly and to the point. People don't like that, they really want waffle and head patting.

So, there there! It wasn't me, and let me present you with this Random Employee of the Month Certificate.

Keep up the good work. 😉

Peter

fruhulda wrote:

Peter Thompson - the pull down guides in Pages Layout is not in the Pages 5.0

Apologies, but I'm not sure what pull down guides are. I think I have confused features. I was referring to the alignment guides that show up when moving an object or text box, that show it's position in relation to the page or other objects on the page.

The featue is only in the Page Layout mode of Pages 09, not in the Word peocessing mode. Here is an image what it looks like. You pull them from the rulers.

fruhulda, Wow, I didn't know about those! Well, there's another reason to stay with Pages 09. Thanks for showing me that!

This constantly updated list of features is partially wrong. I posted a correction earlier but it seems to have been lost:

* All documents open at 125%. Zoom level is retained after saving with the document.

* Alignment guides can be enabled in Preferences on the General tab

* Shapes can be masked with Ovals, Arrows, Stars and more (Format > Image > Mask with Shape > ...)

* Accented characters are available in both headers and footers (type the character, hold and choose the one you want)

* Word documents can be exported to iCloud ( File > Export > Word > Next ... then choose iCloud from the popup menu)

Now, the deleted feature of "Open Pages '08 documents" is perhaps a bit odd. Did Pages '09 open documents from Pages '06 or whatever was before that?

Listing 'Removed - sync with iOS6' is a bit odd too. You 'sync' with iCloud not an OS version. Maybe this needs clarifying.

Also, "New file format not backwardly compatibile" is true. This is invariably true of any piece of software after a certain time. To take a crass example, Word 1 can't open Word 2003 documents yet the file extension/type for Word 1 and Word 2003 is .doc - no change. At some point you need to transfer older documents to a new format to continue working and this has been the way with almost everything over the years. Where the problem lies of course is that Pages 5 converts your Pages '09 documents silently with no option of reversion.

The list of features missing in Pages 5 is bad enough without reprinting an incorrect list over and over and over. If it is to have value it needs to be correct.

For what it's worth, @PeterBreis0807, I totally agree with you!

I share and edit docs with iWork 09 users/clients and with Word users. I now have to go find my old versions and try to restore them. Pages 5 is an unmittigated nightmare for me (and I emphasise "for me").

Anyone talking about this being a brand new product, version zero, and so on, doesn't get that the product wasn't broken before, so why start all over again with something that looks and works like Pages 5 like it does now? I just don't get it. Sure, if you want a cut-down version, call it something else and allow the two apps to co-exist.

I don't think the ability to use Roman Numerals as page numbers -- a very common thing for prefaces, introductions, etc -- has been mentioned. Why would they remove that feature?