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Pages 5 features checklist

As you go through the new Pages 5 can you please add an added, missing or altered features here please.


I will start with some culled from the general discussions and if you could correct any errors add them:


Added


1. Right to Left text ie Arabic, Farsi & Hebrew. Uncertain about Pashtu


2. Single model templates. You turn off document text to get rid of the default. Not sure if this then can be mixed and matched with Word Processing templates


3. Able to share outside iCloud


Missing


1. Selecting non-contiguous text gone


2. Outline view appears gone


3. Customizable Toolbar is gone


4. Many templates appear gone


5. Captured pages gone


6. Reorganize pages by dragging gone


7. Duplicate pages gone


8. Subscript/superscript buttons gone


9. Select all instances of a Style is gone


10. Retain zoom level of document gone


11. Facing pages gone


12. Endnotes gone


13. Media Inspector can't find iPhoto library on external drive


14. Update is missing for older installations, Apple is reportedly working on a solution via a redeemable code or update on the ir Support Download site


Altered


1. Language set under Edit > Spelling and Grammar > Show Spelling and Grammar now document wide


2. Subscript/superscript text is now a convoluted route Gear > Advanced options > Baseline > Subscript/Superscript


3. Header appears to be multi-column


4. New file format (but still .pages?) not backwardly compatible


5. Page numbering method changed


6. T.O.C. appears buggy


7. Template file storage location moved - to where?


8. Imported older .pages files are not translating properly


9. Text language is detected automatically now


Letting you know I can't test or verify any of these as I haven't got Mavericks yet.


Peter

iMac, OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.4)

Posted on Oct 22, 2013 7:57 PM

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Oct 28, 2013 10:19 PM in response to indychris

indychris


I don't think Apple is likely to give you advance notice they are going to dump you.


They are however dropping lots of hints. Pages 5 and the rest of the "free" Maverick software are pretty unsubtle tip offs.


Peter


PS The latest episode of The Good Wife, "Hitting the Fan", brilliantly illustrates the dilemma of everyone trying to dump everyone else without letting the cat out of the bag.

Oct 28, 2013 10:22 PM in response to cosmofromwatertown

True, they design for themselves.


They are twittering, on Facebook and numbing their brains with a nonstop background of noise so they don't have to think. …just like an Apple Store.


But then "Everything is a matter of opinion" when you don't know and are not interested in knowing.


Peter


btw I'm back in the Apple Store again and it seems to be "a matter of opinion" that the Mavericks that supposedly was going to be installed last week is still not installed.

Oct 29, 2013 1:23 AM in response to PeterBreis0807

Peter,


you have done an excellent work in collecting a list of all the Added (few) Altered (many more) and Removed (very many more) features in Pages 5.


May I suggest you also cross post this long list somehwere else (perhaps you have a blog or something) you control a little more than the ASC pages?


I obviously welcome you to use the Facebook Page I started after ASC moded out my comments because they are not "in line with ASC guidelines..." https://www.facebook.com/pages/Apple-give-us-back-iWork-09/169283333271374


I think we need to keep the pressure up, as continuing to use iWork '09 is obviously no long-term solution...


Thanks

Gianni

Oct 29, 2013 1:25 AM in response to EdgarRothermich

Today most upto mid 20 age people are spoiled by what they get and have, without having experienced or learned how things evolved. They probably nerver really used Pages (iWork 09) or MS Office to full extend. It's no need to use all the functions but just use many of them at a regulary basis. This way one learns and develops methods using the apps very fast for producing lets say 200 pages keynotes or 300 pages docs.


But when I see that students today it's sufficient to write a 40 pages essay to get a bachelor degree, I'm just laughing! At my times 20 pages were the introduction to a diploma work! Yes times have changed. But people are getting more and more lazy and dumber. The industry is supporting this trend.


Here in Europe upcoming teacher students only need to find half of the errors in a text,, to have the capability (no not competence as it isn't) to teach French or German language, without the need to know or explain why it is wrong!


Now tell me how are they able to teach kids why they made mistakes?


In hospital I saw nurses who weren't able to tell the time people are used to and not the digital version. The digital time is good but you have to calculate. With the analog version you directly know the time and how much time is missing to the next quarter or half or full hour without calculating.


All those voting that iWork 13 is better never really used Pages. I like the inspector window, because I know exactly where I have to change something. The multilanguage support in text boxes is of main importance for me as live in a country where 3 languages used by all the people is common.


iWork 13 lover probably nerver designed (DTP is design) more than 5 pages or do use Pages as a simple wordprocessor for writing 1-3 pages letters.


But people making money of the product produces by iWork need more functions.


I read in the thread that many users are happy to make a presentation with Keynote on the ipad. Yes it works for changing a ready made presentation. But my presentations are big with many special layouts impossible to do on the iPad. Plus the iPad version kills most of the effects and fonts!


As a teacher I need to have Keynote or Pages with many features!


I was really hoping that Apple was improving Pages 5 with more pro features. I want PageStream back (way easier to use than InDesign / Pagemaker or QuarkXpress) and many pro features not found in other DTP apps.


IMO Apple is going iOS only in the future, with ARM based Macbook airs. The iPad Pro (13") will come next year. See: Mac Mini, Macbook Air, Mac Pro… iPad mini, iPad Air, iPad Pro.


Now that Pages is free, people say "what an awesome app" but never have the possibility to use the previous version or know it even existed. Apple is following the industry trend: make people dumb so we can manipulate easier.


See what crap is on TV, see the rubbish on YouTube, 80% of the internet is of no real use, most medications do only have placebo effects, or look at the social networks: irrelevant infos are sold as important news (which they aren't), most products produced today are of very inferior quality than they used to be (or you have to pay 2-3 times than the

product of the competition). Or even governements: the actual NSA scandal is always sold as action against terrorism. Which terrorism? The last real threat was more than 10 years ago, since then no real attack happened.

The NSA is no other than industry espionage.



One can continue this list, people are literally held back to evolve. Only the upper 10% have the possibility the other must stay dumb in order to serve the upper 10%.


And Apple is no exception!

Oct 29, 2013 1:44 AM in response to cyberhusky69

I have a very large library in my house.


It's surprising how many people ask "When do you get the time to read all the books?"


I in turn ask, "How often am I supposed to read them?"


I use the library as needed. The same with software. But if it isn't there, you can't.


As with some of the critics here, they never or hardly ever use what is available, and are disturbed by anyone else wanting or needing to.


Peter

Oct 29, 2013 2:45 AM in response to robogobo

Could someone please verify this? Basically it would mean the transition from 4.3 to 5 is at least non destructive and we're dealing with a loss of features here but no data loss.

robogobo wrote:


Browse All Versions:


Now I hadn't tried this before, but it was on my todo list. When I first noticed problems with files opened in Pages 5.0, I was simply restoring files from Time Machine in order to get back to the original version for 4.3, thinking it was necessary for version history. But correct me if I'm wrong, Time Machine isn't necessary for browsing documents version history. Is that right? I just tested it and it seems to work with my Time Machine disk disconnected. Can someone verify this?


I just opened an old 4.3 document in 5.0, made some changes, saved and closed it. Then I tried to open it in 4.3 and of course it wouldnt open. So I opened it again in 5.0, went to File > Revert to > Browse All Versions and it opened up the interface, which looks like Time Machine (I always assumed it was) but I think it's not. Anyway, I went back to the old version, hit restore and then closed it without saving. I can now open it again in 4.3 in its original state!


Did everyone already know this? If it's true, then there isn't any permanent damage being done, and everything can be reverted to originals from within 5.0. I think this is great news.

Oct 29, 2013 2:49 AM in response to PeterBreis0807

Peter,


Thanks for compiling this list of differences between the new and old versions. I find it very helpful.


I've noticed another thing with Headers that I don't think is covered in your list (correct me if I'm wrong).


I had a very old template that I used for my company letterhead with a logo graphic in the header. I created it when I didn't know Pages '09 as well as I do now. On opening in Pages 5, the image was stripped and there seems to be no way to insert it again. Maybe there are more restrictions on header content but I haven't investigated it further.


On reflection, it made more sense to include the logo as an object in the Section Master so I was easily able to recreate the front page of the document and my document seems to be designed more sensibly now.

Oct 29, 2013 3:42 AM in response to pinkuff

pinkuff wrote:


Peter,


you have done an excellent work in collecting a list of all the Added (few) Altered (many more) and Removed (very many more) features in Pages 5.


May I suggest you also cross post this long list somehwere else (perhaps you have a blog or something) you control a little more than the ASC pages?


I obviously welcome you to use the Facebook Page I started after ASC moded out my comments because they are not "in line with ASC guidelines..." https://www.facebook.com/pages/Apple-give-us-back-iWork-09/169283333271374


I think we need to keep the pressure up, as continuing to use iWork '09 is obviously no long-term solution...


Thanks

Gianni


This blog post translated them for German users.

http://www.iworkuser.de/2013/10/liste-von-entfernten-geanderten-und-neuen-funkti onen-im-update-von-iwork-09-auf-2013/

Oct 29, 2013 4:02 AM in response to robogobo

Seems to work - I've unplugged the external disk as well as turning off Time Machine. Old versions are there, and not only that, when the restored file is loaded into 5, it looks the same as it did in 4.3., whereas if just the latest one is opened, layout is, er, not right.

The "unrestored" file has layout errors, whereas, the "restored" one still looks OK when reopened, even after making a few changes. This might not be the case if a "removed" feature has been used, such as linked text boxes - they are there but not linked.

You will not be able to open this file in 4.3 if you make changes, as robogobo also said.


So, are the earlier versions inside the new one? Word docs have all sorts of old stuff inside if you open them in BBEdit, especially if the author has used an earlier letter to someone else as a template, and altered the text. Having looked at a 4.3 xml file there isn't any changed/deleted text or other obvious stored changes. So they must be somewhere else, I suppose.

The 5 files are zipped .iwa, and I haven't found anything that the system will allow to open them (unidentified developer).




robogobo wrote:


Could someone please verify this? Basically it would mean the transition from 4.3 to 5 is at least non destructive and we're dealing with a loss of features here but no data loss.

robogobo wrote:


Browse All Versions:


Now I hadn't tried this before, but it was on my todo list. When I first noticed problems with files opened in Pages 5.0, I was simply restoring files from Time Machine in order to get back to the original version for 4.3, thinking it was necessary for version history. But correct me if I'm wrong, Time Machine isn't necessary for browsing documents version history. Is that right? I just tested it and it seems to work with my Time Machine disk disconnected. Can someone verify this?


I just opened an old 4.3 document in 5.0, made some changes, saved and closed it. Then I tried to open it in 4.3 and of course it wouldnt open. So I opened it again in 5.0, went to File > Revert to > Browse All Versions and it opened up the interface, which looks like Time Machine (I always assumed it was) but I think it's not. Anyway, I went back to the old version, hit restore and then closed it without saving. I can now open it again in 4.3 in its original state!


Did everyone already know this? If it's true, then there isn't any permanent damage being done, and everything can be reverted to originals from within 5.0. I think this is great news.

Oct 29, 2013 4:32 AM in response to Karabuni

Great! Hopefully this means everyone can get back to their old files and continue working in '09 until the feature set is restored to 5.0. Now we can all stop clamoring about Apple intentionally damaging users' work. I was 1000% sure that wasn't the case. After "Save As" was depricated, Autosave and Version History are part of a normal workflow (except for those who rejected the whole idea of auto save - but Apple didn't), which explains why files were not explicitly duplicated with the upgrade and no warning was issued.


Does this work for you, Peter? If so I hope you can see the value of actually using the product before jumping on the bashing bandwagon.



Karabuni wrote:


Seems to work - I've unplugged the external disk as well as turning off Time Machine. Old versions are there, and not only that, when the restored file is loaded into 5, it looks the same as it did in 4.3., whereas if just the latest one is opened, layout is, er, not right.

The "unrestored" file has layout errors, whereas, the "restored" one still looks OK when reopened, even after making a few changes. This might not be the case if a "removed" feature has been used, such as linked text boxes - they are there but not linked.

You will not be able to open this file in 4.3 if you make changes, as robogobo also said.


So, are the earlier versions inside the new one? Word docs have all sorts of old stuff inside if you open them in BBEdit, especially if the author has used an earlier letter to someone else as a template, and altered the text. Having looked at a 4.3 xml file there isn't any changed/deleted text or other obvious stored changes. So they must be somewhere else, I suppose.

The 5 files are zipped .iwa, and I haven't found anything that the system will allow to open them (unidentified developer).




robogobo wrote:


Could someone please verify this? Basically it would mean the transition from 4.3 to 5 is at least non destructive and we're dealing with a loss of features here but no data loss.

robogobo wrote:


Browse All Versions:


Now I hadn't tried this before, but it was on my todo list. When I first noticed problems with files opened in Pages 5.0, I was simply restoring files from Time Machine in order to get back to the original version for 4.3, thinking it was necessary for version history. But correct me if I'm wrong, Time Machine isn't necessary for browsing documents version history. Is that right? I just tested it and it seems to work with my Time Machine disk disconnected. Can someone verify this?


I just opened an old 4.3 document in 5.0, made some changes, saved and closed it. Then I tried to open it in 4.3 and of course it wouldnt open. So I opened it again in 5.0, went to File > Revert to > Browse All Versions and it opened up the interface, which looks like Time Machine (I always assumed it was) but I think it's not. Anyway, I went back to the old version, hit restore and then closed it without saving. I can now open it again in 4.3 in its original state!


Did everyone already know this? If it's true, then there isn't any permanent damage being done, and everything can be reverted to originals from within 5.0. I think this is great news.

Oct 29, 2013 4:37 AM in response to robogobo

robogobo wrote:


Great! Hopefully this means everyone can get back to their old files and continue working in '09 until the feature set is restored to 5.0. Now we can all stop clamoring about Apple intentionally damaging users' work. I was 1000% sure that wasn't the case. After "Save As" was depricated, Autosave and Version History are part of a normal workflow (except for those who rejected the whole idea of auto save - but Apple didn't), which explains why files were not explicitly duplicated with the upgrade and no warning was issued.


Does this work for you, Peter? If so I hope you can see the value of actually using the product before jumping on the bashing bandwagon.

A function that allows me to restore damages made by the software in the first place is hardly my idea of good software.


This would be tantamount to introducing a car where the steering wheel does not turn left but where you are actually able to turn left if you pull a secret lever that's in the glove compartment


Would you say: "See, all you whiners? BMW DIDN'T REALLY want to kill you all, stop bashing it"

Pages 5 features checklist

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