Only 64GB Ram in New Mac Pro?

Hi


I tried to post about this yesterday, but it looks like the topic got a couple of unhelpful responses and then got shut down. I'll try again ...


Can anybody explain why the New Mac Pro only has 4 DIMM slots, offering a maximum of 64GB of RAM? This on a system aimed at the pro user, where 96GB and 128GB configurations are increasingly common.


I have 64GB in my current 2010 Mac Pro and really need to ramp it up to 96GB, which I was planning to do when I purchased a new system (I'm a composer and have a large template which places high demands on RAM usage for sample streaming). Are we just waiting for RAM manufcaturers to come out with 32GB DIMMs, or is there something else I'm msising here? Much as I might wish otherwise, faster SSD storage and Mavericks' RAM compression is not going to compensate for less RAM.


Can anybody shed any light? Does this make sense to people who understand this stuff more than me, or are RAM-hungry users going to have to look elsewhere?


Thanks for any enlightened feedback.


Jules

Mac Pro, Mac OS X (10.6)

Posted on Oct 23, 2013 12:13 AM

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Oct 23, 2013 8:28 AM in response to Trailermen

Trailermen,

If you're getting no or less than satisfactory answers it likely wouldn't be a waste of time to go to Other World Computing (specifically, http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/memory/Mac-Pro-Memory ) and check through what they are up-to-date with. I've never been dissatistfied with them in any way. I'm very confident you'll find your answer there.


My best,


George

Mac Pro, Mac OS X (10.7.5)

Oct 23, 2013 8:36 AM in response to George O'Connor

Hi George


Many thanks for the link.


The issue though relates to the maximum amount of RAM the new 2013 (ie. announced yesterday) Mac Pro can take. My understanding is that it only supports a maximum of 64GB as it only has 4 DIMM slots. The 2010 Mac Pros, running Maverick support 128GB.


Am I the only one who sees this as a giant step backwards? I just can't figure out the rationale ...


Jules

Oct 23, 2013 8:57 AM in response to Trailermen

New memory efficiency is suppose to be part of 10.9.


Apple always has specs at the time of release. Even when higher density DIMMs come out.


So it is likely that there could be 32GB DIMMs, but they aren't available today.


Never try to understand why when it comes to Apple, just throw salt over your shoulder (there is the right way, the wrong way, and the Army's way as they said when I was growing up and in boot camp).

Oct 24, 2013 6:12 AM in response to varjak paw

Didn't know they were out of engineering and testing. Price wise new memory always has that sticker shock, whether it was the summer of 2003 and new PowerMac G5 DDR2 that was going for $100+ for a 512MB DIMM.


When Crucial didn't have their own they turn to Samsung.


LIke you I am having a lot of trouble finding any. Time to turn to hardware review sites probably.

Oct 24, 2013 8:52 AM in response to varjak paw

Agreed - Those Crucial links aren't compatible I don't think.


I've never even seen mention of a 32GB 1866MHz DIMM, so my fear is, they could be a long way down the pipeline.


Either way, the new Mac Pro is going to make big RAM loads awkward and costly, and entirely dependent on 3rd party component manufacturers coming up with a solution which currently doesn't appear to be even being talked about.


What worries me, is that 2013 Mac Pro power-users (which is a tiny niche within a tiny niche) are going to be pretty much the only demand for this component. Other high end systems offer 8, 12 or 16 DIMM slots. That being the case, the volume of demand is unlikely to warrant manufacturers investing in developing a 32GB 1866MHz DIMM, which in turn leads me to think that it may never appear, or at least not in the short to medium term.


Which means the 64GB maximum RAM limit is a real one, and may not disappear any time soon. All purely speculation of course, but from an admittedly selfish and entirely subjective perspective, I think Apple got this one wrong. Cartainly as things stand, I personally can't make the investment, and I was all ready to dive in with a kick-*** spec'.


Jules

Oct 26, 2013 3:18 AM in response to Trailermen

Apple is slow (as in never) known to update the specs page when it comes to RAM, storage.


More likely up to Crucial, Samsung and others, even OWC, as to whether their DIMMs are compatible.


In some PC's today that do use higher frequency memory they will not work with slower than say 1600MHz, and PCs today are pushing beyond 2000GHz.


I was just curious that someone would even think those Crucial/Micron DIMMs might.


http://www.apple.com/support/macpro doesn't even list the 2013 yet.

Oct 30, 2013 6:59 AM in response to Trailermen

Apple seems to be betting the farm on new 10.9 memory compression core technology - solving the abuse and excess use of memory seen in Mountain Lion helps. My experience even on Mac Pro but running Windows 84-bit (7/8/8.1) is they make good use and still cache and use free available memory. Otherwise, HP or Dell workstations with 256GB or even TB for those that don't want to be so crippled and limited.


Compressed Memory

Compressed Memory keeps your Mac fast and responsive by freeing up memory when you need it most. When your system’s memory begins to fill up, Compressed Memory automatically compresses the least recently used items in memory, compacting them to about half their original size. When these items are needed again, they can be instantly uncompressed.


Compressed Memory improves total system bandwidth and responsiveness, allowing your Mac to handle large amounts of data more efficiently.Through use of the dictionarybased WKdm algorithm, compression and decompression are faster than reading and writing to disk. If your Mac needs to swap files on disk, compressed objects are stored in full-size segments, which improvesread/write efficiency and reduces wear and tear on SSD and flash drives.


The advantages of Compressed Memory include the following:


• Shrinks memory usage.Compressed Memory reduces the size of items in memory that haven’t been used recently by more than 50 percent, freeing memory for the applications you are currently using.


• Improves power efficiency. Compressed Memory reduces the need to read and write virtual memory swap files on disk, improving the power efficiency of your Mac.


• Minimizes CPU usage. Compressed Memory is incredibly fast, compressing or decompressing a page of memory in just a few millionths of a second.


• Is multicore aware. Unlike traditional virtual memory, Compressed Memory can run in parallel on multiple CPU cores, achieving lightning-fast performance for both reclaiming unused memory and accessing seldom-used objects in memory.


OS X Mavericks 10.9

Core Technologies Overview

June 2013Core Technologies Overview 2

http://images.apple.com/osx/preview/

http://images.apple.com/osx/preview/docs/OSX_Mavericks_Core_Technology_Overview. pdf

Oct 30, 2013 8:22 AM in response to The hatter

This may be a better link to the core technologies document:


http://images.apple.com/media/us/osx/2013/docs/OSX_Mavericks_Core_Technology_Ove rview.pdf


Which includes on page 6:


Kernel

The OS X kernel is based on FreeBSD and Mach 3.0 and features an extensible architec- ture based on well-defined kernel programming interfaces (KPIs).


OS X was the first operating system to ship as a single install that could boot into either a 32-bit or 64-bit kernel, either of which could run 32-bit and 64-bit applications at full native performance. OS X now exclusively uses a 64-bit kernel, but it continues to run both 32-bit and 64-bit applications.


With its 64-bit kernel, OS X is able to address large amounts of physical RAM. OS X Mavericks has been tested to support up to 128GB of physical RAM on qualified Mac computers.


I realize that is not definitive, but is encouraging.


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