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Dec 27, 2014 6:38 PM in response to deggieby Philly_Phan,deggie wrote:
That is illegal in most states in the US now.
What's the alternate solution? How does a company ensure that company property is returned?
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Dec 27, 2014 6:43 PM in response to Philly_Phanby deggie,They can file liens, they can sue, they can send someone to collect the property, they can file theft charges, etc.
But the employee has legally worked the time for that last paycheck and has nothing to do with collecting property, manuals, etc. The company can also find themselves in trouble with the feds as well as state government.
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Dec 27, 2014 6:49 PM in response to deggieby Philly_Phan,Wow. That really stinks for the employer.
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Dec 27, 2014 6:57 PM in response to Philly_Phanby deggie,Not really. What really stunk before was withholding someones paycheck for something unrelated to their work in violation of an agreement. Return rates of property for employers is very high because most who are leaving are doing so voluntarily and do not want to mar their reputation. Retirees same thing. Where the problem comes in is employees that you fire but in most cases you know that is coming and can have them bring their equipment prior to cashiering them.
As far as computers and tablets many employers are remotely wiping them and then writing them off and letting the employee keep them. This is also sometimes true for laptop computers depending on their age. Many will also give the employee (or students at universities) buy the used equipment. And then a few companies I know are requiring escrow for issued equipment. Return it and you get your money back. I don't think this is working all that well, it is easier and cheaper just to write it off the taxes.
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Dec 27, 2014 7:01 PM in response to deggieby Philly_Phan,deggie wrote:
Where the problem comes in is employees that you fire but in most cases you know that is coming and can have them bring their equipment prior to cashiering them.
Individuals that are fired generally have a suspicion beforehand and calling them in to your office like this will confirm that suspicion. So they don't bring the equipment in. What are you going to do about it? Fire them?
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Dec 27, 2014 7:09 PM in response to Philly_Phanby deggie,Some do, some don't. In that case you can use one of the other methods I described. But holding the final paycheck was never really appropriate. You might be able to make a case for holding the portion of the check equal to the actual value of the equipment but employment lawyers I've spoken to about this say this probably would be struck down. It would be easier if it was a higher level salaried employee and you wrote it into their contract but that is no guarantee it would fly and those really aren't the people who usually fail to return equipment.
If I'm a line worker earning $15 per hour to build phones at Philly_Phan, Inc., and I'm required to build a phone per hour and do so for 80 hours then you owe me the wages for that period. Period. If I don't return the laptop computer that I use in this endeavor, and have been using for four years, which you bought for $200 in bulk and is now worth about $60 (you've been depreciating it) how would it be fair to withhold my entire paycheck?
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Dec 27, 2014 7:50 PM in response to deggieby Philly_Phan,Good point but I still have a hard time accepting the fact that it makes it easy for someone to steal. Let's face it, the other solutions you offered (lawsuits, etc.) are expensive relative to the cost of a used laptop, especially a Windoze laptop.
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Dec 28, 2014 2:38 AM in response to Philly_Phanby Csound1,I have 5 iPads owned by my company, when I give one to an employee it is already locked to the company account.
What kind of fool allows employees to apply a personal lock to company property?
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Dec 28, 2014 11:06 PM in response to Hotshotssnipeby Anuj101,I am facing the same problem on my Iphone 5, mistaken with restoring my ex's iphone backup. Running on iOS-8.
Unable to reset it again , as it always asks for either the apple id password, or turning "find my iphone" off, and that requires the password as well.
Has anyone resolved this problem yet ??
Want to get out of it ASAP, help please. !!!
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Dec 29, 2014 12:33 AM in response to Anuj101by Briansyddall,Iif you got this ipad from EBAY ask for a refund if you cannot
contact owner it maybe lost/ stolen did it come in the box
you cannot use ipad without The APPLEID
bsydd uk
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Dec 29, 2014 1:04 PM in response to Anuj101by gail from maine,This is not a "problem". It is the way Activation Lock was designed:
- ACTIVATION LOCK
- The only way to "resolve" it is to follow the instructions below:
- Find My iPhone Activation Lock: Removing a device from a previous owner’s account - Apple Support
- Best of luck,
- GB
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Dec 30, 2014 6:44 PM in response to Philly_Phanby m00t,People take their products home, they do things we don't want, guess what, we have to reset them?
Have you ever seen eBay? Or ever been on the interwebs? Probably not, if you had, you would've seen laptops, gaming consoles, and pretty much anything else you want to buy second hand. If it's stolen, get another way to get it back, like Police. Locking a device from a System Administrator helps absolutely nothing.
From my point, I had to run a crap $200 iPad to Apple, 50 miles, to unlock it, finally. It was ridiculous.
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Dec 30, 2014 6:27 PM in response to m00tby Philly_Phan,Obviously you haven't learned much in sixteen years if you don't know how to put a company lock on the devices.
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Dec 30, 2014 6:32 PM in response to Philly_Phanby m00t,Obviously you haven't learned much in any of your years if you underestimated your employees, maybe mine are smarter than yours. Grow up and grow a pair. 'Company locks' do much less than 'Apple locks'.
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Dec 30, 2014 6:37 PM in response to m00tby Philly_Phan,Obviously you just don't understand and you don't want to understand. It's not a matter of how smart your employees are; it's a matter of how unsmart you are.