Q: Mavericks and memory (Ram)

they wont tell us anything unless they have to.

I posted a relatively tame complaint about "Bandit" more than "Maverick" and they removed my comment.

Censorship by powerful forces is a dangerous thing, that famous 1984 advertisement is haunting for the wrong reasons now.

I will forgive them if they fix this disaster making older computers slow down dramatically.

socrates  Melbourne

Hello to all, from what I know and have seen in the past Apple rarely reads these threads because this is a user oriented forum. Having said that however, you as a Mac user can certainly voice your feedback to Apple by sending your feedback through the OS X Feedback page inside Apple.com. Here's what you need to do to forward your concerns to Apple.

First go and visit OS X Feedback at Apple.com. Then, look at the attached image to see how sending your Feedback to Apple works.

If sent through this method Apple under some situations may respond to you via e-mail if necessary. There's an alternative method that is via Apple Bug Reporter. However, this alternate method requires the creation of a developer account at the Apple Developer Website.

I encourage sending your feedback because is this information that in the end helps Apple make better products. Also, to those who don't know Apple does provide 90 days of complementary phone support after the retrieval of OS X Mavericks according to the products support page below.

http://www.apple.com/support/osx/contact/

Hope this helps everyone.

Many thanks for your very helpful response. I had been looking for a feedback page and I appreciate you posting a link to it. I have already submitted feedback to Apple. I just hope others do the same and they acknowledge that there's a problem and fix it. Thanks again.

Mavericks is turning out to be a joke, and the deeper strategy here is long term profit.

Laptops recently ship with about 8GB of RAM, which is more than enough for the state of play. Apple know this, so they must protect their future profits in exactly the same way they do with iOS: develop software, apps and OSX's that simply consume more RAM. That way, your device slows down and you need to upgrade your hardware. It is a very simple trick. Once you have done that, the cycle then shifts to developing more programs or OSs that consume that RAM, that power hike, so you are effectively back where you started. Needing some kind of upgrade.

You may well argue that in Mavericks there is a bells and whistles way of "compressing RAM for smarter usage". Yeah right. Is that why my 8GB Macbook Pro starts beachballing when I use QUICKLOOK?!! (even when nothing else is running), and I am still showing as only 1GB free? Smart stuff.

iPhones are also subject to the same con. I remember when iPhone 4 came out. It was a genuine leap forward. So fast and powerful, everything ran so smooth on iOS 4 and 5. I remember thinking, why would we need anything more, apart from an even faster processor, or better camera?! Surely it cannot go backwards, right? Wrong. Enter the "lighter, faster, flatter and more efficient iOS 7" So much lighter, faster, and more efficient, that your iPhone 4 now grinds to a halt. Gone are the smooth, elegant transitions, the flowing scrolling. It's all glitchy now. Oh, and sorry, you can't go back. But hurry to the stores, iPhone 72 is here, it has more RAM and stuff (and probably still no bigger screen either). Needless to say, iOS 7 runs just fine on iPhone 5 and up. (That is, until a newer, energy saving, battery lengthening iOS comes out that will do everything it promises (as well as ensure that you should probably upgrade to enjoy the actual benefits you probably were enjoying before you upgraded).

And so it is with Mavericks. All these "improvements"... do I really need the Mac to compress (hog/consume) all this extra RAM just so that i can add 'tags' to my files. You could have given us that in Leopard or Tiger. Does it take 6GB of RAM to reply to a message in Notifications? And speaking of iMessage and Facetime, you better roll the dice to see if they actually work today or not. iMessages are always jumbled and totally out of order on the Mac. Why? Is it so hard to sort them by date and time like the iPhone 1 did with no problem at all?

Want more proof of my theory? The kicker is the new iPhoto. It 'upgrades' your library and conveniently tells you that you won't be able to view your photos on any previous version of iPhoto (which of course won't run on anything other than the OS you just upgraded to) - without it looking one iota different as a program. So, in case you sneeky people decide to find a way to go back to Lion or ML on the DL, you won't be able to take your photos with you. Or at least 95% of normal people (ie, non geeks who never visit these forums) will just stick with it and say, 'oh well I'm sure its an improvement overall'. It's an improvement to Apple's future profit, that's all.

I would not do a clean install just yet. Usually there is a update shortly after the initial release that cleans up some things that crop up after so many install their systems and notice little quirks.

A man who gets it. Bravo sir. Excellent post.

Sorry, but you are wrong. @ icore76 your system is not performing properly. Something is causing a problem and doing a reinstall of the OS may help, but a clean install would definitely correct the problem. I did a clean install on my 15inch rMBP and this OS is exactly what I needed to get my system functioning like my previous Apple MBPs.

Yep @cbs20, you're right - my system is not performing properly; it is functioning as a rebellious system that wants to save money and just be happy with what it's got, instead of feel guilty for being nearly a full year old, and is therefore in direct violation of Apple's future profit strategy.

I just got a message on the screen saying: "Please do a clean re-install of your credit card into our nearest payment terminal to ensure uninterrupted performance". Not sure what that means, but should I wash my card first?

iciconnect wrote:

 

WOW, Permissions are Aways needing repair.

Mavericks might just be Apple's Vista!

Permissions almost never need to be repaired. The only thing that will cause them to need repair is crappy third-party software or weird file corruption.

Good to hear you settled your issue. That is the main point. The post-upgrade discussions tend to get a bit feisty here.

I didn't settle my issue at all. Neither did anyone else.

Which app would that be? New installation, all from Apple; iTunes, Safari, Garage Band and iWorks oh yeah Office 2011 not from Apple. So why are the permissions always corrupted again?

iciconnect wrote:

 

Which app would that be? New installation, all from Apple; iTunes, Safari, Garage Band and iWorks oh yeah Office 2011 not from Apple. So why are the permissions always corrupted again?

They are not corrupted. You just don't know what you are looking at.

The repair permissions system has really very little knowledge. It just looks at the installation receipts and compares those to what it currently sees. If they are different, then it notes them. It also claims it is repairing them, but it doesn't because there is nothing wrong with them.

The only time a permission repair is useful is if an application reports that it doesn't have access to some resource in the system files. It can't do anything to problems with your home folder.

OS X Mavericks memory management *****. I can no longer execute memory heavy scripts with the same data and parameters that I was able to execute in Mountain Lion. Instead, a pop up greets me that I'm low on memory and then the whole computer freezes and has to be cold booted.

MacBook Pro

Retina, 15-inch, Early 2013

Processor  2,7 GHz Intel Core i7

Memory  16 GB 1600 MHz DDR3

Graphics  NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M 1024 MB

Software  OS X 10.9 (13A603)

Back to Mountain Lion.

I am Agree with you Until Snow Leopard with just 4GB of RAM STUFF WERE FLYING !!! now it´s a SQUASHED SNAIL!!