Q: Where are guides and the side ruler in the new version of pages?

Or disinterest.

Peter

PLEASE GIVE ME BACK MY ORIGINAL PAGES!!!!! IT IS STUPID TO REMOVE THINGS FROM AN APPLICATION THAT I HAVE USED FOR YEARS. IF YOU WANT TO MAKE CHANGES PLEASE JUST ADD NEW ONES AND DON'T TAKE AWAY THE MOST COMMON USED FUNCTIONS. I am very upset that I now have to use MS Word. It's against my religon to use anything non mac but your really pushing me in that direction.

Very Unhappy.

While we all understand your upset and agree that removing features from Pages 5 was not the way we wanted or expected Apple to go, BJVava, Apple hasn't taken away your Pages 4.3. You can still use it - it's in the iWork '09 folder in your Applications folder. Just disable/remove Pages 5 to make sure you don't start it up by accident. (turn it into a Disk Image with Disk Utility, zip it or move it to another drive - or trash it entirely, if you want)

And - complain to Apple via their official Feedback channel.

Thank You so much I will do that.

BJ

Yes, you can still use the older version. Unfortunately for me, the minute I opened that first document in Pages 5, every other Pages document became corrupted. I opened up one document, realized what a hot mess it was and shut the document down - without saving - and deleted the app. I then opened the original Pages 4.3 and every single document opens up with broken links from textbox to text box and with corrupt art and fonts. No Pages document on my computer was usable in any way without making extensive corrections and rework.

I have the luxury of using InDesign now, so I've just been resetting every document in that program and gave up on Pages completely. But your simple suggestion may not be an option for everyone. At least, it wasn't for me.

That is weird as I didn't get that behaviour on my machine. All older documents are intact. Are you using iCloud?

No, I only use iCloud for contacts and calendar. All my documents are on my computer. The real frustration for me was that I have been using InDesign for about 10 years and recently decided to switch most of my work-related documents to Pages so that I could delegate some work to others more easily. So I spent all summer reformatting every document in Pages only to lose them all just weeks after I finished them! So I gave up on delegating this work and am sticking with InDesign.

JournalMoxie, I assume you are referring to documents being broken that were opened in Pages 5, NOT documents that you never opened in Pages 5. If you never opened a document in Pages 5, it should be fine. Once you do open a Pages 4.3 doc in Pages 5, yes, it does lose ALL the attributes that are related to the features that have been removed in this "update." That is why I've cautioned people to remove or disable Pages 5, as it's too easy to goof and double click on a .pages document and find it opening in Pages 5, which will remain the default as long as it's installed in the Applications folder on your system (I tried moving it - it stll was the default).

However, if you DON'T open Pages 4.3 documents in Pages 5, they shouldn't come to any harm. Yes - until you get rid of/disable Pages 5, the documents will all display the Pages 5 icon, but if you haven't actually opened them, they should be fine. (Think about it - how could a file structure be changed if you didn't touch it? Apple is actually using a different file format here - which is why you have to "Export" to Pages 4.3 from 5)

I'm not going to argue over this other than to say that EVERY SINGLE PAGES DOCUMENT was messed up and I only opened one single document. All the linked text boxes were gone on every document. Every single pages document was unusable. Maybe it could be from something else as I updated Mavericks at the same time, but in any case, going back to Pages 4.3 wasn't an option for me.

I quite simply don't understand how that would be possible. It doesn't make any sense at all and is not the experience of dozens of people who have posted here in the many threads about Pages 5. Believe me, if Pages 5 was capable of destroying Pages 4.3 documents without even opening them, there would be even more screaming and yelling than there has been. There are people here with thousands of Pages documents - if all of those (or even ANY of those) had been ruined by simply having Pages 5 installed, we'd have all heard about it.

AND - do you not have a backup (or several)? You should always have a backup; either a clone or Time Machine or preferably both. When you install and begin to use upgraded software or an operating system, you should never just assume that everything will go flawlessly; backups are essential, not only to protect your work, but to give you the option to revert if the updates don't go so well.

BTW, Mavericks doesn't do anything to your documents - I have Mavericks and my Pages 4.3 files are fine. And I fiddled around with Pages 5 for a few days before disabling it - as did many, many people on these forums.

And why was going back to Pages 4.3 not an option? Some have had success reverting files that were opened in Pages 5 - see: https://discussions.apple.com/message/23578238#23578238

Granted - InDesign may be the better choice, depending on what you're doing (certainly it is when compared to Pages 5!!!) - I do all my demanding page layout work with InDesign.

But PLEASE - get yourself a good backup solution.

It is really enough to not save in Pages 5.0 but revert to original vrsion and the olde document is intact.

Some apparently have had success with this method, but I wouldn't recommend it as the usual course of action without backups in case anything goes sideways and you cannot revert. I've also seen people say they couldn't revert. So why take the chance? However, if you've managed to open the only copy you have of a file in Pages 5 and find it messed up, trying to revert is going to be your only option, other than exporting it to 4.3 and then opening it again in 4.3 and fixing whatever Pages 5 broke.

A lot of the changes to Pages (and Numbers, etc.) are a Windows-like dumbing down of the applications. The intent seems to be to make them easier to use, but removing features is not right way to do that.

The intent seems to be to make them compatible with the iCloud and iOS versions, actually. Unfortunately, Apple chose to take the desktop version down to the level of the cloud/tablet/phone versions instead of making those versions better. I think part of the problem is that Apple hadn't quite decided which market it wanted to go after with these apps - those who want to jot a quick note to Grandma, or those who want to use the apps in a business setting or for any serious work at all. With the iWork 2013 update, it certainly looks like they have decided it's the quick-note-to-Grandma crowd, but they haven't made it explicit and in fact are now responding to all the justified complaining from the business/serious user by promising to restore at least some features. At this point, we're just going to have to wait and see. Many of us here would far rather a "pro" version we paid for, than the freebie neutered thing that is Pages 5. I think it's also fair to say that most of us here would never dream of doing real page layout/writing etc. on an iPad or even more ludicrously, an iPhone. The ability to collaborate and do light editing without damaging the integrity of the layout etc. via the web and the iDevices would be welcome, but not at the expense of the power of the desktop version.

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