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  • Yellowbox Level 5 Level 5 (6,200 points)

    Hi SG,

     

    Ian, should he choose to accept the mission, could take over the table underlying the bubble chart and perhaps even "share" it on iCloud so we can all watch the bubbles grow.

     

    Oh, no! Not iCloud! That seems to be a can of worms (see other discussions about documents or features disappearing after going through the iCloud "one size fits all" process).

     

    I am happy to use your bubble chart* and place it in my DropBox with a link for all to view.

     

    *BTW,  there was a request some time ago for a bubble chart in Numbers. I remember suggesting placing circle Shapes and resizing them in Inspector > Metrics. No reply. And Inspector is now (ahem) different).

     

    Regards,

    Ian.

  • Jerrold Green1 Level 7 Level 7 (29,855 points)

    Ian,

     

    Sub-delegate the chart to SG

     

    Jerry

  • Michael Black Level 6 Level 6 (17,890 points)

    Numbers for OS X and for iOS on all devices now uses a true single common file format - no more warnings to open a copy on an iPhone or iPod Touch.

  • SGIII Level 5 Level 5 (5,265 points)

    Sub-delegate the chart to SG

     

    But the bubbles are already bubbling on the screen, as it were, and are inseparable from the lost and gained features table, already populated from your list and Ian's pointers and badly in need of qualified curators such as you and Ian who will, should you choose, use new Numbers features to share with the rest of us, just as you have been sharing with the community so effectively for so long. 

     

    SG

  • Jerrold Green1 Level 7 Level 7 (29,855 points)

    I'm feeling dense right now. Can you point me to the link?

     

    Jerry

  • petvas Level 2 Level 2 (275 points)

    and that is the main reason for the missing features. Apple had start over and create a basis for both OSes. This is not nice for OS X users, but in 3-5 years the iWork suite will gain most of its features back...

  • Jerrold Green1 Level 7 Level 7 (29,855 points)

    Ian,

     

    Here's a big one, if it hasn't already been posted:

     

    The little 5-function stats pane in the lower left corner of the Numbers Window, that gives you stats on a Selection of cells, has been replaced by a much more functional Bar across the bottom of the window that allows up to 31 stats function results to be displayed.

     

    Jerry

  • Michael Black Level 6 Level 6 (17,890 points)

    petvas wrote:

     

    and that is the main reason for the missing features. Apple had start over and create a basis for both OSes. This is not nice for OS X users, but in 3-5 years the iWork suite will gain most of its features back...

     

    Right, most of the loss of function in the OS X version, I think, is a result of having to reduce things to a common denominator for tablet/mobile version compatibility.  The mobile platforms are the limiting factor - in order to maximize cross-platform compatibility, the OS X version suffers, and will do so until (unless ?) the mobile devices and the mobile operating system catches up in capability.

  • Jerrold Green1 Level 7 Level 7 (29,855 points)

    Michael,

     

    I don't have a problem with having a Pro version and a Mobile version, but Apple must not see it that way.

     

    Jerry

  • Michael Black Level 6 Level 6 (17,890 points)

    Jerrold Green1 wrote:

     

    Michael,

     

    I don't have a problem with having a Pro version and a Mobile version, but Apple must not see it that way.

     

    Jerry

     

    It never bothered me either.  But I think this is clearly a deliberate strategy by Apple, to produce a single completely or at least largely cross-platform compatible suite of apps.  But given the inherent limitations of a mobile devices over a laptop or desktop computer, I can see where the mobile device dictates the upper level of function defined in the app if you want to go down this particular path of combined app development.

  • Yellowbox Level 5 Level 5 (6,200 points)

    Hi Michael,

     

    Thanks for your post.

     

    Numbers for OS X and for iOS on all devices now uses a true single common file format

     

    This seems like good news. I am not an iOS user, so please tell if this is a plus for all users (iOS and OS X).

     

    no more warnings to open a copy on an iPhone or iPod Touch.

     

    Is this good or bad? Are you saying that Apple is no longer making us aware of potential loss of features?

     

    Sorry, but I have followed other discussions where it appears that some users have converted their documents to  iWork'13  and have regretted that move.

     

    Please clarify.

     

    Regards,

    Ian.

  • Michael Black Level 6 Level 6 (17,890 points)

    If you use OS X Numbers or Pages (I don't have or use Keynote) and sync files with iCloud, the old versions had file compatibility issues with the iOS devices, especially the iPhone and iPod Touch.  You used to get a warning when opening a file made in OS X on an iPhone that functionality would be lost and suggesting you open a copy of the file instead.  But, that meant creating multiple copies of a file for multiple devices.

     

    Now, the files do not change when opening on an iPhone, iPad or in OS X, or when using the iCloud Beta versions (other than some font incompatibility sometimes - so some font substitutions still seem to occur on the iOS side).

     

    The new file formats does then make things better for those who find themselves opeing and editing the same files on multiple devices as you don't end up with an iPhone copy and an OS X copy, for example.  You can keep just one file in iCloud and work on it from any copy of Numbers your have.

     

    But, the iOS devices inherently cannot handle anything and everything that a computer could, so it seems some functionality had to be dropped to ensure the file format would remain compatible across all platforms, with the same editing capability on all.

     

    I think petvas' point is valid - that as the mobile devices and iOS get closer to true computer capability over time, you'll see functionality added back in, as long as it remains cross-platform.  But Apple is clearly committed to this forward path of integrated home, work and mobile computing and using cloud services for file access, so I am not necessarily surprised by many of the changes becoming apparent in Pages and Numbers.

  • SGIII Level 5 Level 5 (5,265 points)

    Ian,

     

    Since you have accepted the mission from Jerry, I hereby "share," for a limited time, an inaugural version of the The Great 2013 Numbers Migration Gained and Lost List.

     

    iCloud has come a long way in recent weeks, and seems to be an integral part of Apple's vision for Numbers, but just to be on the safe side you and Jerry had best download from the link as soon as you can.

     

    The list attempts unsuccessfully to match your magnificent table name font. It also attempts to incorporate items carefully gleaned (actually, crudely copied and pasted would much better describe the process) from the gains and lost threads in the discussions. It is badly in need of curation by community leaders with knowledge of Numbers old and new.  The top of it looks something like the image below. 

     

    Screen Shot 2013-10-28 at 10.33.08 PM.png

     

    Meanwhile, perhaps someone will figure out how to do interactive charts, and describe their use. I'm guessing they might actually help with sensititivy analysis, but really have no idea.

     

    SG

  • SGIII Level 5 Level 5 (5,265 points)

     

     

    iCloud has come a long way in recent weeks, and seems to be an integral part of Apple's vision for Numbers, but just to be on the safe side you and Jerry had best download from the link as soon as you can.

     

     

    And Wayne, of course. Would love to know if I even set up the static bubble chart right. Lots of fumbling about in the dark trying to get it to work.

     

    SG

  • papalapapp Level 1 Level 1 (80 points)

    Nice to see this discussion going on. I'd like to contribute. I'm still working with Numbers'09 primarily, but exploring my files in Numbers 3 with a separate copy.

     

    So far I have found that composing longer formulas got a little easier, although I miss the little yellow popup-paranthesises (brackets) while navigating the cursor.

     

    And also that little information panel at the bottom can be pretty helpful: Highlight at least 2 cells and click the little gear to the right.

     

    - You can add functions like average, variance etc

    - You can drag that right onto a cell and it will insert it there. It will then calculate your highlighted cells showing the result in that cell where you drop the function.

     

    So if you use things like SUM, MIN, MAX etc. frequently, place it down there and you can drag & dropt it quickly into your table. Nice.

     

     

     

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