Q: Your System has Run out of Application memory

"Remove it and test again".

Er, why?  Does Apple pay customers to do debugging.  Chrome is widely used.  It may not be a great application, but if suddenly it causes problems under Mavericks, I'd like to know what Mavericks is doing wrong, not Chrome.

Hmmm, I'd like to know why Chrome haven't updated to work in a new OSX despite having access to beta versions of the OSX and........oh, it's Google. Of course. Not Apple's job to fit in with Google's inability to update their software.

Pete

The problem with your reply, Peter, is that it doesn't address two points

• Why doesn't Apple (apparently) do regression testing with common applications?  I worked for several years in hardware product development and we always tested common third party attachments with new products before announcement.
• Why should customers be doing this kind of basic debugging?

Don't get me wrong.  I am an Apple fan and have converted more people than I can remember to Apple, but I am disappointed in this specific case and, looking through the forums here, it appears that a good deal of other innocent Apple customers have been caught out.

You know I could simply come back and say

1. Why would Apple spend that much time helping Google with their browser mess, when they have their own Safari Browser to concentrate on?

2. 'Debugging' has been part and parcel of every OS release ever. Nobody can replicate every workflow and every combination of third party apps ad and every computer 'genius' who likes to tune up their machine. The viables are impossible to test or we would still be back at OS6 and Windows 98.

I could say all that,but I won't.

Cheers

Pete

1. Why would Apple spend that much time helping Google with their browser mess, when they have their own Safari Browser to concentrate on?

a. You're assuming this problem is caused by Chrome.

b. Because you don't want to annoy happy customers who use this common application.

2. 'Debugging' has been part and parcel of every OS release ever. Nobody can replicate every workflow and every combination of third party apps ad and every computer 'genius' who likes to tune up their machine. The viables are impossible to test or we would still be back at OS6 and Windows 98.

No you can't duplicate every workflow.  But looking around these forums this seems to be quite a common problem, which apparently didn't exist with the previous release.

Michael Haffey wrote:

 

No you can't duplicate every workflow.  But looking around these forums this seems to be quite a common problem, which apparently didn't exist with the previous release.

Looking around these forums is likened to walking into a hospital ward. You will only see sick people. Here you will only see a tiny amount or representation of the many many millions of Mavericks users worldwide. They have no reason to come here.

And if you care to read though the forums, even a quick perusal, you will find that this OSX is no different from any other release, probably better so, when you look at what people complained about with all previous OSXs.

Cheers 

Pete

You can of course do nothing and wait in hope that it will fix itself. It's entirely your choice.

Good luck.

1. This IS a widespread problem caused by a memory leak.

2. The leak is triggered by a large number of apps, INCLUDING Apple core apps like Mail, Calendar and Aperture

3. Apple WILL TRY to fix this in the first maintenance release 

4. We had a similar issue with 10.8

5. YES! The testing manager in charge with regression testing should be fired

6. NO! Customers should not be on the hook for troubleshooting MacOS or any commercial software.

Having said all that, we DO live in an imperfect world ... ;-)

Apple seeded Mac OS X 10.9.1 last week, so, we hope that it fixes this annoying issue.

Best regards,

Leonardo

I joined this discussion because I wanted to know if this problem was specific to me and if there was a fix. The anwer is that it is a bug and the fix is to wait for Apple to fix it. The problem is in the new method of managing memory, not with anything a user does. Apple will fix it as soon as they can.

No, the testing manager should not be fired. The first version of any software has bugs, sometimes conspicuous ones, either because they only become apparent after the software is released, or because the software was deliberatly released with the bug, if it is cosmetic, does not harm anything, or is just an inconvenience.

I found out what I needed to know, and I'll wait.

I don't think the testing manager shouldbe fired either, but Apple should review its testing protocols.

It's more than an inconvenience to me.  I run a photography business.  I've been using Mail, Chrome and Aperture.  Changed Chrome to Safari and doing online mail for the moment (but I still can't avoid Apple Mail altogether).  However, it's not practical for me to change off Aperture and constant rebooting is significantly affecting my productivity.

And what would you suggest I do about Aperture causing the problem?

If restarting solves the problem, then there is something that happens during the start-up process that fixes it. The question then to the group is: What happens during start up? Which part of it clears up this problem? Can that part be done without restarting?

It's not the Restart that temporarily alleviates the issue, it's the stop that precedes the restart.

I have a "run out of application memory" problem.  Mavericks late 2013 MBP.  When I launch Mail, my memory use immediately skyrockets and after a minute or so, I get the "run out of application memory" error message. This happens even if I quit mail immediately after launching it.  No other program does this. I ran Etresoft both before and after launching Mail.  Results are below.  Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!

Before Launching Mail

Hardware Information:

MacBook Pro (Retina, 13-inch, Late 2013)

MacBook Pro - model: MacBookPro11,1

1 2.8 GHz Intel Core i7 CPU: 2 cores

16 GB RAM

Video Information:

Intel Iris - VRAM: 1024 MB

Audio Plug-ins:

BluetoothAudioPlugIn: Version: 1.0

AirPlay: Version: 1.9

AppleAVBAudio: Version: 2.0.0

iSightAudio: Version: 7.7.3

Startup Items:

HP IO - Path: /Library/StartupItems/HP IO

System Software:

OS X 10.9 (13A2093) - Uptime: 0 days 0:6:5

Disk Information:

APPLE SSD SM1024F disk0 : (1 TB)

EFI (disk0s1) <not mounted>: 209.7 MB

Macintosh HD (disk0s2) /: 999.7 GB (761.42 GB free)

Recovery HD (disk0s3) <not mounted>: 650 MB

USB Information:

Apple Internal Memory Card Reader

Apple Inc. BRCM20702 Hub

Apple Inc. Bluetooth USB Host Controller

Apple Inc. Apple Internal Keyboard / Trackpad

FireWire Information:

Thunderbolt Information:

Apple Inc. thunderbolt_bus

Apple Inc. Thunderbolt to Gigabit Ethernet Adapter

Kernel Extensions:

Problem System Launch Daemons:

Problem System Launch Agents:

Launch Daemons:

[loaded] com.adobe.fpsaud.plist

[not loaded] com.displaylink.usbnivolistener.plist

[loaded] com.google.keystone.daemon.plist

Launch Agents:

[not loaded] com.adobe.AAM.Updater-1.0.plist

[failed] com.displaylink.useragent.plist

[loaded] com.google.keystone.agent.plist

User Launch Agents:

[loaded] com.adobe.AAM.Updater-1.0.plist

[loaded] com.adobe.ARM.[...].plist

[loaded] com.adobe.ARM.[...].plist

[loaded] com.facebook.videochat.[redacted].plist

[loaded] com.spotify.webhelper.plist

[loaded] com.zeobit.MacKeeper.Helper.plist

User Login Items:

None

3rd Party Preference Panes:

DivX

Flash Player

Flip4Mac WMV

Internet Plug-ins:

AdobePDFViewer.plugin

AdobePDFViewerNPAPI.plugin

AmazonMP3DownloaderPlugin101750.plugin

Default Browser.plugin

DirectorShockwave.plugin

DivXBrowserPlugin.plugin

Flash Player.plugin

FlashPlayer-10.6.plugin

Flip4Mac WMV Plugin.plugin

GarminGpsControl.plugin

Google Earth Web Plug-in.plugin

googletalkbrowserplugin.plugin

iPhotoPhotocast.plugin

JavaAppletPlugin.plugin

npgtpo3dautoplugin.plugin

o1dbrowserplugin.plugin

OfficeLiveBrowserPlugin.plugin

QuickTime Plugin.plugin

RealPlayer Plugin.plugin

Silverlight.plugin

User Internet Plug-ins:

CitrixOnlineWebDeploymentPlugin.plugin

Picasa.plugin

WebEx.plugin

WebEx64.plugin

Bad Fonts:

None

Time Machine:

Auto backup: NO

Time Machine not configured!

Top Processes by CPU:

    2% WindowServer

    1% EtreCheck

    0% coreservicesd

    0% Dock

    0% CoreServicesUIAgent

    0% imagent

Top Processes by Memory:

344 MB   mds_stores

213 MB   Safari

115 MB   Dock

82 MB    mdworker

66 MB    mds

33 MB    MacKeeper Helper

33 MB    PluginProcess

33 MB    WindowServer

16 MB    com.apple.dock.extra

16 MB    storeagent

Virtual Memory Statistics:

12.72 GB Free RAM

1.77 GB  Active RAM

176 MB   Inactive RAM

1.33 GB  Wired RAM

660 MB   Page-ins

0 B      Page-outs

Immediately After Launching Mail

Hardware Information:

MacBook Pro (Retina, 13-inch, Late 2013)

MacBook Pro - model: MacBookPro11,1

1 2.8 GHz Intel Core i7 CPU: 2 cores

16 GB RAM

Video Information:

Intel Iris - VRAM: 1024 MB

Audio Plug-ins:

BluetoothAudioPlugIn: Version: 1.0

AirPlay: Version: 1.9

AppleAVBAudio: Version: 2.0.0

iSightAudio: Version: 7.7.3

Startup Items:

HP IO - Path: /Library/StartupItems/HP IO

System Software:

OS X 10.9 (13A2093) - Uptime: 0 days 0:8:39

Disk Information:

APPLE SSD SM1024F disk0 : (1 TB)

EFI (disk0s1) <not mounted>: 209.7 MB

Macintosh HD (disk0s2) /: 999.7 GB (761.39 GB free)

Recovery HD (disk0s3) <not mounted>: 650 MB

USB Information:

Apple Internal Memory Card Reader

Apple Inc. BRCM20702 Hub

Apple Inc. Bluetooth USB Host Controller

Apple Inc. Apple Internal Keyboard / Trackpad

FireWire Information:

Thunderbolt Information:

Apple Inc. thunderbolt_bus

Apple Inc. Thunderbolt to Gigabit Ethernet Adapter

Kernel Extensions:

Problem System Launch Daemons:

Problem System Launch Agents:

[failed] com.apple.pictd.plist

Launch Daemons:

[loaded] com.adobe.fpsaud.plist

[not loaded] com.displaylink.usbnivolistener.plist

[loaded] com.google.keystone.daemon.plist

Launch Agents:

[not loaded] com.adobe.AAM.Updater-1.0.plist

[failed] com.displaylink.useragent.plist

[loaded] com.google.keystone.agent.plist

User Launch Agents:

[loaded] com.adobe.AAM.Updater-1.0.plist

[loaded] com.adobe.ARM.[...].plist

[loaded] com.adobe.ARM.[...].plist

[loaded] com.facebook.videochat.[redacted].plist

[loaded] com.spotify.webhelper.plist

[loaded] com.zeobit.MacKeeper.Helper.plist

User Login Items:

None

3rd Party Preference Panes:

DivX

Flash Player

Flip4Mac WMV

Internet Plug-ins:

AdobePDFViewer.plugin

AdobePDFViewerNPAPI.plugin

AmazonMP3DownloaderPlugin101750.plugin

Default Browser.plugin

DirectorShockwave.plugin

DivXBrowserPlugin.plugin

Flash Player.plugin

FlashPlayer-10.6.plugin

Flip4Mac WMV Plugin.plugin

GarminGpsControl.plugin

Google Earth Web Plug-in.plugin

googletalkbrowserplugin.plugin

iPhotoPhotocast.plugin

JavaAppletPlugin.plugin

npgtpo3dautoplugin.plugin

o1dbrowserplugin.plugin

OfficeLiveBrowserPlugin.plugin

QuickTime Plugin.plugin

RealPlayer Plugin.plugin

Silverlight.plugin

User Internet Plug-ins:

CitrixOnlineWebDeploymentPlugin.plugin

Picasa.plugin

WebEx.plugin

WebEx64.plugin

Bad Fonts:

None

Time Machine:

Auto backup: NO

Time Machine not configured!

Top Processes by CPU:

    98% mds_stores

    31% Mail

    3% WindowServer

    1% opendirectoryd

    1% EtreCheck

    1% fontd

    0% usernoted

    0% coreservicesd

    0% Dock

    0% mDNSResponder

Top Processes by Memory:

9.67 GB  mds_stores

262 MB   Mail

213 MB   Safari

115 MB   Dock

98 MB    mds

66 MB    ReportCrash

66 MB    WindowServer

49 MB    Notes

49 MB    SystemUIServer

33 MB    MacKeeper Helper

Virtual Memory Statistics:

1.54 GB  Free RAM

12.70 GB Active RAM

396 MB   Inactive RAM

1.37 GB  Wired RAM

954 MB   Page-ins

0 B      Page-outs