Will iTunes 10.7 run under Mavericks?

I wouldn't go around saying what you think or dictate. I said I often wonder, I didn't dicate! Who's to say what Apple would or wouldn't support and what they would be trying to get people to do? You don't work for 'em. At least I don't think you do. And there is software updates. Just that some we can't control any longer that are controlled by the operating system changes but as long as were in that same operating system there are software updates that we can choose whether or not we want or dont want to install. It's the auto ones that Apple or new operating system changes automatically then yes these are not controlled software updates because there installed automatically. I can see where your coming from there. Is that what you mean by MAS?

And most likely when 10.9.1 comes out who are you to judge that he won't be able to run it. If anything if it runs on 10.9 it will run on 10.9.1 because that would be just an incremental update to the same operating system and not a major upgrade to a new operating system. I'm not saying for sure maybe it won't but most likely that would be bound to happen on a next major upgrade (not update) to the next operating system if anything.

If it can no longer be installed it would be most likely on upgrade 11.1 as that would be an upgrade to the next OP and not an update to the existing operating system.

And just explain yourself a litter better. What is the MAS? Did you misspell and mean the MASS? (Large amount of population or the change in the operating system) or what is the MAS if you don't mean MASS?

Thanks for your response!

abombaci wrote:

I wouldn't go around saying what you think

Really? Its a ppublic forum and a question was posted for anyone to answer.

And just explain yourself a litter better. What is the MAS?

MAS = Mac App Store in the Apple menu.

to install 10.9.1 at first i will upgrade to itunes 11.1.2 and after this 10.9.1 will be installed. after these steps i will downgrade my itunes to 10.7 again)))

Just out of curiosity, what method are you all using to downgrade back to 10.7 under Mavericks?

I know that when I downgraded back to 10.7 under Mountain Lion, (after unwittingly upgrading to 11), it was a seriously difficult job to do so and get it working correctly. It involved lots of use of Terminal as well as copying backed-up files from my Time Machine drive.

The trouble is, I don't know if even doing all that will work under Mavericks...

( For details of what I did see posts 11 and 15 on this thread that I started last year:- https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4555628 )

That thread also contains workarounds for my original objection to '11, which was the lack of a 'shuffle/un-shuffle playlist' toggle button.

use AppZapper and Pacifist... if u want - PM me - will help u

So this explains a lot. I downloaded Mavericks on launch, only to revert iTunes back to 10.7 once the new OS was installed. At first, all was well, but then it really mucked up the system. First the Mac App Store would give that "Cannot download, please try purchase again" mess on updates; then, just as stated- after a reboot my iTunes 10.7 failed to open. It's hard to believe that they've tied iTunes so deeply into the OS now. I downgraded my system back to Mountain Lion via Time Machine, and that is where I stand now.

I will say that Mavericks made my 2010 Macbook Pro i7 much snappier (not that it was slow in 10.8 with 8 gigs of RAM), but now it appears I will have to make a choice. Stay on Mountain Lion to enjoy iTunes 10.7, or upgrade the OS to take advantage of Mavericks.

Thanks for this thread, it helps me too. I totally forgot about the iTunes upgrade that would occur with Mavericks and I should've spent more time thinking about it. My problem is that iTunes 11 is really not useable to me and I previously reverted (in Mountain Lion) to iTunes 10.7. Additionally, all my music (376GB) is on a network drive that I also access with Sonos. Well, I'm not convinced that iTunes 11 won't muck with the files there, screwing up my Sonos access as well (iTunes 10.7 is very well behaved and is a known quantity). This whole thing about iTunes becoming an integral part of OS X (***!!) seems to be just a brazen money grab. I actually agreed to the iTunes license terms on my iMac and then saw that it was iTunes 11 (as it started to reorganize my music library) so I force quit it but don't want to go through the elaborate rollback, go forward, rollback, etc., process that looks like would be necessary to get future updates (including to OS X) via the App store <sigh>.

In my opinion, although I know there are also some welcome security fixes in 10.9, Apple is clearly using the "free" approach to try to move users towards making "more" (music, apps, etc.) recurring type purchases from Apple to keep their cash registers ringing. For now, I'll continue using Mavericks but I won't use iTunes 11... and I've already chosen to no longer buy Mac computers (I have 4 Windows machines, an iMac and a Macbook Pro) as they've made them basically non-modifiable by the DIY'er (so no home upgrades to hard drives, for example)... except, I think, to add memory. I like being able to do what I can in the area of maintaining my own stuff [although typically not until after maintenance warranties expire ;-)]. I do *not* like the feeling that I've been getting in my little Mac world that I must do everything Apple's way, which includes sending them my cash, even for things I could easily do myself.

One question I have is this: if I should roll back to Mountain Lion, will that OS continue to be updated (security fixes, general bug fixes, improvements, etc.)? I have a feeling it will not. It seems to me that to keep your computer running right in the long term (as far as operating system updates), there is no choice but to continually upgrade to the "latest" OS X version. Hmm, that makes me wonder when the obvious will happen, i.e., when will they go to, say OS X 10.10 (or 10.X), and do something like remove support for the older 256MB video hardware (as in my iMac from late 2007)? The goal being, of course, to force new hardware purchases. Seems to me it's just a matter of time but, then, perhaps I'm just becoming cynical in my old age <wink>.

Again, thanks everyone for the comments in this thread, I appreciate them very much.

Basically I'll just stay on Mountain Lion until I can toss it out.

LoneRider191,

Mountain Lion should continue to be updated for some time- although admittedly, updates will begin to wane and cease to exist at some point. As you can imagine, this happens with everything. I wouldn't be worried that this will happen any time soon though. I still have an iMac on Snow Leopard (10.6.8), and it gets security fixes and application updates from Apple's Software Update pretty regularly.

- Zach Foster

Just been reading all the comments while I reinstall Snow Leopard so that the programme for my slide scanner will work. I need to scan a library.

I will see if iTunes 10.7 will work in Snow Leopard. If so then I will get all my music related programmes running under the same OS. I have around 2.5TB of music files (AIFF) and have no wish to use iTunes 11 for them.

Having done that, I will install Mountain Lion on a separate partition and upgrade it to Mavericks. That way I can still access iTunes 10.7 most of the time and have the benefit of the best bits of both OSs.

Even better is there any way to have the 2 OSs running together? The Mac does multitask after all.

OK, well, I rolled back Mavericks to Mountain Lion on my iMac but will leave the MBP as it is (running Mavericks) for now. That will give me time to play music with iTunes 10.7 while I acquire a good replacement player. I'm not a big user of iTunes (or buying online music for that matter) in the first place... it just worked well and was pretty easy to use before version 11. Having read more about what seem to be (to me and to many others) backwards marching with applications like iTunes (starting at version 11), Pages and iMovie it really does seem that Apple's world is contracting to about the size of a phone (or iPad). It leaves a bad taste in my mouth and it seems that Microsoft has been trying to do the same thing with Windows 8. I think Microsoft will get it straightened out (albeit being dragged kicking and screaming by users and IT folks... there are many more of them to pummel MS) but I'm not sure that Apple will. Perhaps these are the opening shots in a war to end the desktop (Mac)... ridiculous if true.

I'm happily playing iTunes 10.7 on my extremely functional Mountain Lion iMac as I type this but I commiserate with, especially, all the professional computer folks (and DJ's, etc.) that seem to have been left in the lurch after depending on Apple for their paychecks. Perhaps Apple will fix the growing number of seemingly huge missteps they've taken here... but I'm not counting on it.

Hi,

For the moment my imac runs on snow leopard and my itunes is 10.7. I've read in this thread that it is not possible to upgrade to mavericks without being forced to itunes 11.

Can i upgrade to mountain lion and stay with itunes 10.7?

Yes

It will work. And right now I'm running iTunes 10.7 on my rolled back (to Mountain Lion) iMac... it's great. One thing I will add is that when I was originally running 10.7 (back on Lion or before), the App store started regularly notifying me that there was an update to iTunes (whenever 11 first became available) and I was able to turn that annoying notification off. Can't remember if it was just option-clicking the update and then hiding it (perhaps someone else can comment) but then all was well. I recommend taking this step to turn off the update reminder as well... although you'd likely come to that conclusion independently.

Again, the difference with Mavericks is that once you install the "free" operating system update you *have* iTunes 11.1... with no option ever given to use an earlier version... it has now been deemed a critical part of OS X <sigh>.

FYI, I upgraded to Mavericks from Mountain Lion on my 13" Macbook Air (late 2012 model). This 'upgraded' my iTunes 10.7 to iTunes 11 automatically, which I was gutted about.

I thought I would try and see if I could go back to iTunes 10.7, and three days later I can say YES, iTunes 10.7 works fine under Mavericks. (NB. I do not own an iPad or iPhone, so I have no experience of which version of iTunes they now require. I do however have an iPod Nano (7th Gen, the newest one) and this is still working perfectly with iTunes 10.7 under Mavericks.

Of course, do a time machine back up first/back up your music folder to another hard drive. I would do this before you upgrade to Mavericks.

How I did it:

1. Locate and save a copy of your iTunes Library.itl file. Luckily I still had one on an external harddrive, because when I upgraded to Mavericks I lost my iTunes 10.7 Library.itl file.

2. Download App Zapper, and zap iTunes 11.

http://www.appzapper.com

3. Download an iTunes 10.7.dmg file.

http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1576?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US

4. I used Pacifist 3.0.10. (a newer version is available, just saying what I used) to open the iTunes 10.7.dmg

http://www.charlessoft.com/pacifist_olderversions.html

(NOTE: for every option Pacifist presents you when unpacking the iTunes 10.7.dmg, select 'replace', not 'upgrade')

At first iTunes 10.7 crashed, and I thought this was gonna be a sign of things to come, but I just forced quit, turned the laptop off and back on again, reloaded 50GB of music from my external hard drive, and it has been playing ever since without a glitch!