Does the new Macbook Pro 15" (late 2013) supports 4K via Thunderbolt/Displayport?

tomengland wrote:

Bad news.

MBP retina 13 inch haswell.

Enabled dp 1.2 on dell.

went to native resolution, it's at 30hz.

1) I believe you are getting 30Hz only at 4k, right?

2) Did you install beta 10.9.3 with the most recent Build 13D1710 before trying it?

3) Is Windows installed on your rMBP and did you try on Windows? Perhaps you may get 4k @ 60Hz on Windows. (If you tried, please let us know your Windows version. If not, please let us know if you are considering trying in the near future) Please note, even the high-end 15-inch owners with the Nvidia 750M could get 4k @ 60Hz only via Windows until 2 weeks ago or so, i.e. the release of the aforementioned beta.

1) Correct, 4k at 30hz confirmed via Dell OSD.

2) Correct, ID17 10.9.3

3) I do not have Windows 7 via bootcamp, sorry I can't help here.

4) Yes, I had to enable DisplayPort 1.2. Weird, it worked when I plugged it in but MST wasn't enabled. So I went through the OSD to DisplayPort and enabled it. The screen flickered and turned back on, checking the settings it says enabled. So it must recognize the MST / HBR2 setting because that's what is feeding through display port.

I'm still hoping that it's enabled prior to the final release of 10.9.3.

Very Important Update:

Someone shared the outcomes he got on the late 2013 (Haswell) high-end 15'' rMBP with Nvidia 750M and 13'' rMBP -as well as early 2013 rMBP with Nvidia 650M for those interested-, both on Mavericks (latest 10.9.3 beta Build 13D33) and Windows 8.1.

See the below link:

http://rene.rebe.de/2014-01-27/dell-ultrasharp-24-4k-up2414q-on-mac/

There you will see that while he can get 4k @ 60Hz on both Haswell rMBPs, there are 2 differences: 1) only the high-end late 2013 (Haswell) 15'' rMBP with Nvidia 750M can output 4k @ 60Hz on Mavericks; and 2) while both can output 4k @ 60Hz on bootcamp, for the Iris model he states "Bootcamp - shows the monitor as 2 monitors running in portrait. Other than this, it works @ 60hz".

Quite frankly I could not be sure what this means and whether this affects the final outcome. I posted a question in this regard but it has been awaiting moderation for a while, hence I wanted to get your opinion on his statement. Do you think Windows 8 mistakenly recognize the only monitor as if there are 2 monitors? Do you think, in the end, both Haswell rMBPs render the same thing on the sole monitor? If the answer is positive, then I don't care how many monitors are recognized by Windows.

PS1. You will also see that the original poster/website host Rene states that he could get 4k @ 60Hz on Surface Pro 2, which is equipped with Intel HD 4400, which is inferior both to Iris and Iris Pro. Hence I would assume both cards and therefore all current Haswell rMBPs must be capable of 4k @ 60Hz.

PS2. If Iris and Iris Pro are capable of 4k @ 60Hz and if 10.9.3 becomes final as is, then the only reason why Apple does not include such capability in Mavericks would be, IMO, to intentionally force customers to buy the high-end and most expensive Haswell rMBP.

I'm looking for the answer too, everywhere I read I see no reason why running a mini display port to display port on my monitor shouldn't work.

I have a 43 inch Phillips BDM4350 monitor and can only get it to run through my DP 1.2 port.

Multiple articles state it should work through a single channel as long as I don't use HDMI, I have the geforce 750m GPU

http://www.macrumors.com/guide/4k-5k-displays-buyers-guide-mac/

15" Late 2013: This model is equipped with two Thunderbolt 2 ports that can drive one 4K display at 60Hz or two 4K displays at 30Hz. This model also supports one 4K display at 60Hz over Thunderbolt and one 4K display at 30Hz over HDMI.

open to suggestions here, 30hz is terrible for what I need

still 30Hz and no HiDPI option for me (dell up2414q + late 2013 macbook pro retina 15'' with 750m gfx).

aron77 wrote:

still 30Hz and no HiDPI option for me (dell up2414q + late 2013 macbook pro retina 15'' with 750m gfx).

Thank you! Ah, really sad 😟

I prefer the smallest one (it says "looks like 1680 x 1050") -- because I have a bunch of apps running all at the same time, and it helps to have them all viewable on the same space.

Try opening up more tabs in safari, see if that matters...or try a larger / more colorful PDF, like a restaurant menu. But anyway...

No. Apple clearly states that the HDMI output is limited to 24 or 30 Hz.

This includes the 15" retina with the 750M!

And this is a limitation of HDMI itself -- HDMI 2.0 was just late to the game, so Haswell shipped without it.

All these 2013 macs, all of them, are stuck with HDMI 1.4.

Also, no GPUs have HDMI 2.0 yet as far as I know -- none that are shipping anyway.

So in order to drive 4K displays at this point in time at 60 Hz, you need multi stream display port (display port 1.2), which uses two 1080p streams and combines them into one...again, not supported in Mavericks yet. It's expected that when the "new mac pro" launches, this will be fixed...but I'm not holding my breath.

And yes, you'll see mouse lag running a 4K display at 30 Hz.

The "gold standard" for computing \ scrolling \ screen refresh rate has always been 60 FPS or higher. Some people say you really can't notice anything higher than 60 FPS, but whatever. 30 FPS is half of what you're normally used to....it won't be pretty 😝

The Nvidia GeForce GT 750M, which comes with the high end MCP 15" 2013, can drive a 4K display over DisplayPort using MST at resolutions up to 3840x2160.

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/notebook-gpus/geforce-gt-750m/specifications

So, Apple needs to get off its behind and inlcude the Nvidia in Mavericks 10.9.2 to catch up with Windows 8. :roll-eyes:

http://www.geforce.com/drivers

Apple might also repurpose some iMac connectivity to field an Apple Cinema display based on the Sharp panel in the PN-K231.

Steve Jobs would not have rolled out 4K capable hardware without the software to go with it and an Apple 4K Cinema Display (based on the Sharp PN-K231 technology).

Management and vision issues?

I was looking at the new Mac Pro at the Apple store site. They are offering the Sharp 4K display with it. In the description of the display, it says:

Compatibility: 4K DisplayPort operation only compatible with the new Mac Pro (Late 2013). 4K HDMI operation compatible with MacBook Pro (Late 2013) and the new Mac Pro (Late 2013). Note: HDMI input not available in European-market Sharp PN-K321.

So Apple has explicitly said that newest rMBP can't drive it from a TB/DP port, so it sounds like no 60Hz with rMBP. I guess there is still hope that this may change with a driver update.

I need a new machine and the new rMPB would be great for me, but I won't buy until I am sure it can drive a 4K display at 60Hz.

Yes the Mac Pro supports those monitors at 4K 60Hz but the MacBook Retina (2013 - TB2 - the product in question here) supports NO 4K monitors at 60Hz, UNLESS you're in Windows 8.1. In Windows it there is no driver issue with any 4K displays at 60Hz. That's part of the argument.... Why would Apple force users that want a full 4K experience to do so using a different, let alone Microsoft's, OS on their own systems!

DannyWoods wrote:

and he's confirmed the 60Hz will work with OS X MST and even better it will be out by March - end of Q1! I getting one myself! I'll post up when JJ gives me a date for its release or pre-order. Word up!

yes. but only on the Mac Pro with AMD Graphics Cards.

This Thread is about the Macbook Pro, it uses NVidia Geforce 750M, and the nvidia driver does not support MST, even not in latest beta 10.9.2, so nobody knows if or when it will come

😟

mg428 wrote:

Thanks for the links guys. I've gone through all of them and it seems the models of the Haswell rMBP subjected to this test have not been indicated in those links.

Confirmations from Haswell rMBP owners who happen to have 4k 60Hz monitors would be greatly appreciated. Please kindly indicate which particular Haswell rMBP you own.

Mine is model MacBookPro11,3 and configured as described in my previous posts.

mg428 wrote:

Unfortunately there is no 4k @ 60 Hz for rMBP in the beta 10.9.3 because Khaos Tian (the person who had announced the improvements of this beta release on the Internet) has just confirmed that "rMBP has the new option for resolution scale but not 60Hz" and his rMBP is the high-end 15'' with the Nvidia 750M. Given this, in my opinion it is unlikely 60 Hz would be available for low-end 15'' rMBP with Iris Pro and 13'' rMBP with Iris.

See his twitter conversation in this regard: https://twitter.com/KhaosT

Look closely at the picture in my previous post and note the vertical refresh rate.

It actually seems to be the case that Khaos Tian’s 15" rMBP does output 4K at 60 Hz to the Dell UP2414Q, as his screen’s OSD indicates:

https://twitter.com/KhaosT/statuses/442733969994313729

He states, however, “Both rMBP and nMP says 60Hz (…) but it feels different …” (https://twitter.com/KhaosT/statuses/442733770483851264)

mg428 wrote:

Have you seen this in person? So far there is no single person, in this thread or elsewhere, has confirmed that they can get 4k @ 60Hz on his Haswell 13'' rMBP with Iris or Haswell low-end 15'' rMBP with Iris Pro via Windows, Such confirmation has only been made by high-end Haswell 15'' rMBP owners with Nvidia 750M.

What I find really amazing is that I cannot find a single reference via google to any windows systems running Iris or Iris Pro and trying 4k (30hz or 60hz). There are some windows laptops that use the chipset (vizio and dell for example). You would think that someone has tried to run 4k @ 60hz from one of them ... (there are plenty of reports of people trying via AMD and Nvidia)

nquery wrote:

mg428 wrote:

Have you seen this in person? So far there is no single person, in this thread or elsewhere, has confirmed that they can get 4k @ 60Hz on his Haswell 13'' rMBP with Iris or Haswell low-end 15'' rMBP with Iris Pro via Windows, Such confirmation has only been made by high-end Haswell 15'' rMBP owners with Nvidia 750M.

What I find really amazing is that I cannot find a single reference via google to any windows systems running Iris or Iris Pro and trying 4k (30hz or 60hz). There are some windows laptops that use the chipset (vizio and dell for example). You would think that someone has tried to run 4k @ 60hz from one of them ... (there are plenty of reports of people trying via AMD and Nvidia)

Even though I did not state this in my post, I was well aware of your point because my Google searches had not yielded anything. Perhaps owners of those PCs are not interested in 4k @ 60Hz or 4k at all given how expensive those monitors are.

Hopefully tomengland will provide a positive feedback today regarding Haswell 13-inch rMBP's 4k 60Hz capability in which case we can safely assume low-end Haswell 15-inch rMBP would be capable as well-- if Iris can do Iris Pro should be able to. This may lead PC owners to demand driver updates if they cannot get the same capability on their computers.