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Q: How to layout a page in numbers 3.0 -- I can't edit in print view

How to layout a page in numbers 3.0 -- I can't edit in print view any more.  I am using the new version and miss the show print view mode.

MacBook Pro, OS X Mavericks (10.9)

Posted on Oct 25, 2013 7:41 AM

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Q: How to layout a page in numbers 3.0 -- I can't edit in print view

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  • by Al Gunther,

    Al Gunther Al Gunther Oct 26, 2013 8:52 AM in response to Jerrold Green1
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    Oct 26, 2013 8:52 AM in response to Jerrold Green1

    Jerrold Green1 wrote:

     

    Al,

     

    Want to try your script, but I get this error:

    Screen Shot 2013-10-26 at 9.06.40 am.png

    Screen Shot 2013-10-26 at 9.08.00 am.png

     

    About all I know about Applescript is how to press the Run button, so this may be a simple thing for an expert to fix.

     

    Jerry

     

    I have version 2.6 of AppleSript Editor and OSX 10.9 and when I press compile I get this:

    Screen Shot 2013-10-26 at 8.36.20 AM.png

    I did try a system restart and was able to open a numbers file with page view from Numbers File, but it reverted to not showing it on subsequent tries.  I then tried a restart of only Numbers and that also worked but only the first time.  My suspicion is that with OS 10.9 it has two modes, one for iOS and one for OSX, and only the OSX shows page view.  But I know for sure it hasn't gone away, it's just hard to find any way to get to it that will work every time on every machine.  Hope that helps. - Al

  • by Jerrold Green1,

    Jerrold Green1 Jerrold Green1 Oct 26, 2013 9:21 AM in response to Al Gunther
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    Oct 26, 2013 9:21 AM in response to Al Gunther

    Al,

     

    So, maybe the problem was that I failed to Compile before running. I did say that I am not a scripter! Your Script ran, but it launched Numbers '09, not Numbers 3.0.

     

    Maybe that's why you were able to see Print View.

     

    Jerry

  • by Al Gunther,

    Al Gunther Al Gunther Oct 26, 2013 12:13 PM in response to Jerrold Green1
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    Oct 26, 2013 12:13 PM in response to Jerrold Green1

    Jerrold Green1 wrote:

     

    So, maybe the problem was that I failed to Compile before running.

     

    I did say that I am not a scripter! Your Script ran, but it launched Numbers '09, not Numbers 3.0.

     

    Maybe that's why you were able to see Print View.

     

    Jerry

     

    AppleScript will compile and run from hitting the run button, so I don't know why it came up with the Sintax Error. That comes from the compiler.

     

    But you did solve the larger mystery for me.  When an Apple Script runs the first time, if it doesn't find a match for the app name, it will ask for directions in a dialog, which it will remember in the future.  With the upgrade to OSX 10.9, Numbers does not replace Numbers '09, but is added to the Applications Folder as 'Numbers.app' (3.0)  and the Finder default for all Numbers files on my HD have been set to Numbers.app.  But AppleScript still goes to the old app.  So I was incorrect to assume that there were two modes, it's really the new app and the old one.  At this point, I definitely like the old one.  I'm just happy it still works.

     

    I went into Finder Info and tried to reset the default app to Numbers '09 (version 2.3) and Finder apparently won't allow it.  It reverts back to 3.0.

     

    But, I don't need to run AS every time I want to run Numbers '09.  I have it  on my dock and once it's open, it becomes the default app as long as Numbers 3.0 is not running.  If both are running, the default is still 3.0.

  • by Alvaro707,

    Alvaro707 Alvaro707 Oct 29, 2013 12:06 PM in response to panaca
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    Oct 29, 2013 12:06 PM in response to panaca

    I'm SO disapointed!

    I use that feature all the time and that is precisely the advantage over all other programs.

    Apple software is not about how pretty it looks but how easy is to work with it.

    I'll use the old version instead until they fix this.

  • by SGIII,

    SGIII SGIII Oct 29, 2013 12:35 PM in response to Al Gunther
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    Oct 29, 2013 12:35 PM in response to Al Gunther

    Just saw this script.  As far as I can tell Numbers 3.0 doesn't have enough AppleScript support to do something like this.

     

    This will work to tell Numbers 3.0 to open a document:

     

    tell application "Finder"

              set myFile to (choose file with prompt "Choose Numbers File")

              tell application "Numbers"

         activate

         open myFile

              end tell

    end tell

     

    But, alas, it seems AppleScript cannot be used to act on sheets, tables, or cells in Numbers 3.0.

     

    Note that "activate" generally is used to activate an application, not an object within an application.  For an object you usually use "tell".  So putting "activate" within the "tell table" statements probably would not work even if Numbers 3.0 did have more AppleScript support.

     

    SG

  • by Neil Schreck,

    Neil Schreck Neil Schreck Nov 2, 2013 10:54 AM in response to panaca
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    Nov 2, 2013 10:54 AM in response to panaca

    I am, also, disappointed with the lost of Print View.  Real pain to go back and forth to get the forms right.

    Apple please reinstate to feature.

  • by SGIII,

    SGIII SGIII Nov 2, 2013 11:11 AM in response to Neil Schreck
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    Nov 2, 2013 11:11 AM in response to Neil Schreck

    Hi Neil,

     

    You can give feedback directly to Apple in the Numbers>Provide Numbers Feedback menu.

     

    However, from what I can tell from reading and from checking out the new Numbers, Apple's vision for you (they know you really want this but just know that yet) is that you would much rather view your work and show it to others interactively on Apple devices, or share it for collaboration on the web, than print it out in in static, paged documents with precise margins.

     

    SG

  • by spycoops,

    spycoops spycoops Nov 3, 2013 10:32 PM in response to panaca
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    Nov 3, 2013 10:32 PM in response to panaca

    Here's my workaround for this (pathetic) backward step of eliminating page layout view.

     

    Start by working with Preferences/Rulers/Inches and View/Show Rulers:

     

    Work up all your tables and images &c. into an approximately paginated layout.

     

    Whe you're ready to print draw a Shape the same size as your page: e.g 8.5 x 11, and color it white. Then Arrange/Send it to the Back. Duplicate the "page" box and stack them where your pages would be.

     

    Then layout out your page to fit the boxes.

     

    JC

  • by Neil Schreck,

    Neil Schreck Neil Schreck Nov 5, 2013 4:51 PM in response to panaca
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    Nov 5, 2013 4:51 PM in response to panaca

    Thanks for the suggestions and help.  Gave feedback and the workaround gets me thru with less back and forth.

  • by Yellowbox,

    Yellowbox Yellowbox Nov 6, 2013 2:03 AM in response to panaca
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    Nov 6, 2013 2:03 AM in response to panaca

    Hi panaca,

     

    I noticed that there are some gold guid lines that you can pull down vertically or pull left horizontally from the rulers.

     

    Also, Numbers > Preferences > Rulers > Alignment Guides. Turn them on to align objects **with each other** (left, right, middle, top, bottom) as you drag an object.

     

    Regards,

    Ian.

  • by spycoops,

    spycoops spycoops Nov 6, 2013 5:40 AM in response to panaca
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    Nov 6, 2013 5:40 AM in response to panaca

    Another thing to note is the Content Scale and Auto Fit settings in the Print Preview Panel (File/Print).

     

    These make it easy to layout the page if it consists of one long spreadsheet. A little trickier if the page has many tables.

  • by Jerrold Green1,

    Jerrold Green1 Jerrold Green1 Nov 6, 2013 7:16 AM in response to spycoops
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    Nov 6, 2013 7:16 AM in response to spycoops

    spycoops wrote:

     

    Another thing to note is the Content Scale and Auto Fit settings in the Print Preview Panel (File/Print).

     

    These make it easy to layout the page if it consists of one long spreadsheet. A little trickier if the page has many tables.

    I suppose that is what Apple had in mind, but it's a useless method if you wish to maintain a certain font size or object size in the document.

     

    Jerry

  • by zabman600,

    zabman600 zabman600 Nov 7, 2013 5:43 AM in response to zabman600
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    Nov 7, 2013 5:43 AM in response to zabman600

    Just noticed this support article that suggests changes are coming:

     

    About the new iWork for Mac: Features and compatibility

     

    Some features in upcoming releases in the next 6 months

     

    Pages

    Customize toolbar

    Vertical ruler

    Improved alignment guides

    Improved object placement

    Import of cells with images

    Improved word counts

    Keyboard shortcuts for styles

    Manage pages and sections from the thumbnail view

     

    Numbers

    Customize toolbar

    Improvements to zoom and window placement

    Multi-column and range sort

    Auto-complete text in cells

    Page headers and footers

    Improvements to AppleScript support

     

    Keynote

    Customize toolbar

    Restoring old transitions and builds

    Improvements to presenter display

    Improvements to AppleScript support

     

    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT6049?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US

  • by Jerrold Green1,

    Jerrold Green1 Jerrold Green1 Nov 7, 2013 5:47 AM in response to zabman600
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    Nov 7, 2013 5:47 AM in response to zabman600

    Zab,

     

    I'm not an attorney, but I'm suspicious of the language: "Improvements to zoom and window placement". It doesn't say "Edit in Print View Mode". My suspicions are raised.

     

    Jerry

  • by zabman600,

    zabman600 zabman600 Nov 7, 2013 1:14 PM in response to Jerrold Green1
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    Nov 7, 2013 1:14 PM in response to Jerrold Green1

    Jerry,

     

    I share your suspicion. At the same time, it was encouraging to see an explanation/acknowledgement of the shortcomings and a pledge for future development. iWork '09 was disconnected from a regular cycle of improvements and updates, especially when compared to MS Office. The cross platform compatability that is at the heart of the new iWork could give these programs a chance to catch up with and ideally surpass their past feature set.

     

    Hoping for the best...

     

    Zab

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