Mail rules in OS Mavericks 10.9 don't apply to Sent Messages

Oregon Ducky wrote:

If the accounts are set up as IMAP, this would stand to reason. The nature of POP is that when you go out and get the mail from the server, it is removed from that server and put on your machine. IMAP on the other hand retains a copy until some pre-determined trigger (like keeping it on the server for 30 days).

No, Imap accounts store mail on the server until it is deleted, there is no time limit.

In essence, if the account is IMAP, your'e not necessarily able to "Move" it because the email is still out there on the server if I understand this article correctly...

No, Imap servers are synchronized with their clients, this is why actions on one repeat across all, read it on your iPhone and your Mac will also mark it as read. Move it from one folder to another and it will do the same on every client.

POP accounts do not synchronize, you can not create folders on them and all actions are local.

Very easy to understand article. I think your assumption is correct! Thanks for helping me understand why "move" wouldn't work for me. Now I need to figure out if I just skip "moving" rules or start using "On My Mac". Mail is so much more complicated than the days of stamps and envelopes!🙂

Thanks for the clarification Csound1. Good stuff. I'm not understanding, "POP accounts do not synchronize, you can not create folders on them and all actions are local." I do understand the synchronization issue but not that "you can not create folders on them". I understand the "all actions are local".

It seems I've been able to create numerous "folders" (i.e. Mailboxes) by virtue of the fact they are POP accounts and that the info is stored locally where we wouldn't necessarily be able to create a Mailbox in an IMAP environment and necessarily have that go to all he other devices you might access the server from. It would seem to me the folders would have to be created at the server level in an IMAP environment... Is this not the case?

It seems I've been able to create numerous "folders" (i.e. Mailboxes) by virtue of the fact they are POP accounts and that the info is stored locally

The folders are on your Mac, not on the POP server.

It would seem to me the folders would have to be created at the server level in an IMAP environment... Is this not the case?

No, Imap folders can be created by any Imap account client (ie: Mail on a Mac or an iPhone), they will then be synchronized to the server and from there to the other clients.

An Imap account is one account viewed or accessed from multiple locations. No matter how many devices you have there is only one account, and they all see the same thing.

So than what about when I have a rule to "move" like I showed previously to a Gmail folder I created. It sync it up with my iphone and on Gmail on the web, but it doesn't just move it, it also leaves a copy in the original mailbox account (which is from a Cox provider account also set up as an IMAP account in Mail)? So confused...

Move should move, so something is not working right, but I know nothing of Cox mail so I don't have a suggestion for now.

Have you deleted and recreated the rule?

Yes, deleted and recreated rules numerous times.

If I move it to a folder under one of the accounts I have besides a Gmail account (such as another Cox account), it moves it and doesn't leave it in the Inbox. If I have the rule set to "move" it to a folder in a Gmail account, it moves it but leaves a copy in the original Inbox.

Oh, so the Cox account is working correctly.

In which folders are the emails ending up, which 2 Gmail folders?

Yes, Cox account is working.

Not 2 Gmail folders...I want a message that comes into one of the Cox email accounts (or icloud account, whatever) moved to a folder which I have named "To Read" in a Gmail account I like to use. What happens is that the message gets moved to the Gmail folder, but also stays in the Inbox on the Cox account in this case. Only seems to keep a copy in the original Inbox when I'm moving to a Gmail folder. Mail doesn't keep a copy in the original Inbox when moving to folder in an account other than Gmail.

Sorry, not a clue what is going on there.

Thanks for that reminder. For some reason I totally forgot how to get to rules through preferences. It's called Sometimers. Oh well, at least now I can change them.

Add me to the list of needing to have the rules 'also' apply to the directory of sent messages.

OK

But it would be more effective if you let Apple know yourself.

Apple.com/Feedback

Just noticed this trying to use a spam filter (SpamSieve). This filter has a Rule...and it just seems the Rule isn't doing anything...

SpamSieve has nothing to do with outgoing mail, it checks incoming mail (wouldn't be much use if it didn't)