Jregann

Q: Mountain Lion/Mavericks 'breaks' wifi base station - Snow Leopard works fine

Greetings all,

 

(Tried this in the OSx forum with no answers. Hopefully better luck here.)

 

I've been reading my way toward blindness through countless threads, here and elsewhere, from countless people, having problem with Mountain Lion and Wi-Fi these last few days, but some are using Airport, some are using third-party Wi-Fi routers, some aren't really specifying what they're using, so I thought I'd be as specific as possible about my situation - and add the fact that everything is still working fine if I boot into an old backup using Snow Leopard.

 

===

 

 

So here's the situation. I have a Intel Mac Mini which I use as a Wi-Fi base station for a Intel PowerBook Pro and an iPod 5. The Mini has been running Snow Leopard, and the PowerBook had been upgraded to Mountain Lion a few months ago. Things were still working fine at that point - the PowerBook's shift from SL to ML didn't affect its connectivity as a 'receiver' at all. This past weekend however, I finally upgraded the Mini to Mountain Lion as well (so that I could install the current version of Adobe Lightroom) and lost my Wi-Fi Internet access.

 

When I turn Wi-Fi on at the PowerBook, the Mini's network is visible, and I get the solid Wi-Fi fan showing a full connection, but I cannot access the Internet (indicated by the exclaimation point inside the fan for the first few seconds). The same is true on the iPod - I get the checkmark showing that I'm connected, but when I try to access any Internet services will get a pop-up box telling me that the Internet is not connected.

 

After going through pages and pages and pages of people struggling with similar issues on sites like this, and following suggestions like deleting my preference files changing IP addresses etc. I got no further. But since I had cloned my hard drive just before the upgrade from Snow Leopard to Mountain Lion (thank you SuperDuper), I can reboot into Snow Leopard, and everything still works fine. With that advantage, I copied and re-created EVERY SINGLE preference in the system preferences for Network and Internet sharing* from the Snow Leopard into the Mountain Lion system. (I even went so far as to create a network in Mountain Lion's prefs. with WEP encryption instead of the newer WPA just in case that would make any difference at all.) But even with identical settings on the Mini regardless of booting into Snow Leopard or Mountain Lion, Mountain Lion remains the same - no problem connecting with the network, but complete inability to access the Internet. Then, hoping against hope that an upgrade to Mavericks might reset things into some sort of working mode, I tried that - but no better result.

 

(*) I note that the wifi heading in the preference panes has changed from "AirPort" in Snow Leopard to "WiFI" in Mountain Lion and Mavericks, but I'm assuming that's just a change Apple made in its terminology to avoid confusion with the external AirPort options.

 

I would appreciate any suggestions any of you could give. And I would ask that you specify whether any suggested changes are to be made on the originating Wi-Fi station (in this case the Mini), or the receiver (in this case the MacBook). Many of the threads I've read to date can be confusing simply because they're not specifying on which machine any suggested changes need to be made, and while I'm sure there's nothing that needs to be changed at the MacBook, please specify if I'm wrong.

 

Thanks again,

OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.5)

Posted on Oct 25, 2013 7:16 PM

Close

Q: Mountain Lion/Mavericks 'breaks' wifi base station - Snow Leopard works fine

  • All replies
  • Helpful answers

first Previous Page 3 of 3
  • by Jregann,

    Jregann Jregann Oct 28, 2013 3:06 PM in response to BDAqua
    Level 1 (0 points)
    Oct 28, 2013 3:06 PM in response to BDAqua

    During the visit to the Apple store, after the prefs had been trashed, the attempt was made to connect to an 'open' base station without a password, and I haven't reset one since. I expect that's it.

  • by BDAqua,

    BDAqua BDAqua Oct 28, 2013 8:59 PM in response to Jregann
    Level 10 (123,860 points)
    Oct 28, 2013 8:59 PM in response to Jregann

    Resetup Internet Sharing I see if it changes.

  • by Jregann,

    Jregann Jregann Oct 29, 2013 6:08 PM in response to BDAqua
    Level 1 (0 points)
    Oct 29, 2013 6:08 PM in response to BDAqua

    Well, I went nuclear. I erased the hard drive, did a clean install, and migrated applications and files from the clone to the main drive.

     

    Four hours.

     

    No change.

     

    I'm done.

     

    Tomorrow I go buy a THIRD PARTY external wireless router. Third party not only for the emotional reason of not wanting to 'reward' Apple for taking my perfectly functional wifi in Snow Leopard and trashing it, but also for the purely practical fear that whatever isn't working on an internal Apple wifi also won't work on an external Apple wifi.

     

    Thanks again for all your help. I regret that I wasn't able to share a solution - if only to repay all the attempts in this thread with some sort of 'closure.'

  • by BDAqua,

    BDAqua BDAqua Oct 29, 2013 9:55 PM in response to Jregann
    Level 10 (123,860 points)
    Oct 29, 2013 9:55 PM in response to Jregann

    I feel your pain & disappointment, but good luck!

  • by BDAqua,

    BDAqua BDAqua Oct 29, 2013 10:00 PM in response to Jregann
    Level 10 (123,860 points)
    Oct 29, 2013 10:00 PM in response to Jregann

    Oh,I think you should've tried it after the clean install & before Migrating anything!

  • by Jregann,

    Jregann Jregann Nov 2, 2013 1:34 PM in response to BDAqua
    Level 1 (0 points)
    Nov 2, 2013 1:34 PM in response to BDAqua

    Boy, I AM a sucker for punishment...

     

    Spent a few more days trying to figure out what was going on, and continued to learn more things than I ever wanted to know about built-in Wi-Fi on the computer. (I even learned how to use a sudo command in Terminal to FORCE the Mini's wireless card to use the IP address that had been working when I booted from Snow Leopard.) But, none of it got me connected so as of today I am on the third-party router, which I must admit has the advantage that I can now use wireless even when my Mini is asleep or shutdown.

     

    But it also had me thinking about how spoiled we are (well at least I will say that I am), when I had a perfectly functional high speed connection to the Internet within steps of anywhere in my apartment, but I spent weeks in frustration at the fact that I couldn't have it wirelessly anywhere I wanted. It reminded me of this clip with the comedian Louis CK on the Conan O'Brien show a while back. And I post the link here as a final thanks to everyone who made a suggestion in an attempt to get me back online.

     

    http://www.thatvideosite.com/v/94

  • by BDAqua,

    BDAqua BDAqua Nov 3, 2013 7:08 PM in response to Jregann
    Level 10 (123,860 points)
    Nov 3, 2013 7:08 PM in response to Jregann

    Thanks, but it seems that video requires a sign up, which I can't force myself to do.

     

    PS. I feel Apple's updates are for the birds, I do test them, but not without a clone of several previous OSX versions, of which the oldest are the best.

     

    Must be 10,000 improvements/enhancements/features since 10.4.11, but not a single usefull one for me.

  • by Jregann,

    Jregann Jregann Nov 4, 2013 4:36 AM in response to BDAqua
    Level 1 (0 points)
    Nov 4, 2013 4:36 AM in response to BDAqua

    Interesting, I encountered no problems/sign ins with the video link myself, but someone else I sent it to yesterday said she was facing a geographical block. Here are two alternatives (the first one worked for her so she didn't bother testing if the second one did as well).

     

    http://www.maniacworld.com/everything-is-amazing-nobody-is-happy.html

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=aba_1332656862

     

     

    Agreed on the OSX updates, I'm usually the slowest of adpoters -letting everyone else play the role of guinea pig for a year or more- and even then only move (as was the case here) when it's necessary to update a piece of important (to my needs) software. (As was evidenced by the way that I had been happily using Snow Leopard until this incident (and had ignored Leopard entirely, sticking with Tiger, before eventually having to move to Snow Leopard).)

     

    Then when Mountain Lion gave me the wireless grief, I figured that I might as well leap frog to Mavericks with the strategy that by moving now to the latest OS it will be that much longer before I'll have to do anything of the sort again. (I expect this will also be the last Mac OS that will suport the pre-Cloud Adobe software, and I have no intention of EVER paying a monthly fee for Photoshop.)

     

    Meanwhile, I have that bootable clone with Snow Leopard, which will now function as a permanent fall back.

first Previous Page 3 of 3