Faber J.
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Q: Problem with changing Input Source keyboard login page. Did I miss something

Since  OS X 10.9 (last Tuesday...) I cannot change the input source of my keyboard at the login page anymore. It always switches back to AZERTY (belgian) whereas it should stay on US (as before). Did I miss something? Default input source of my keyboard is belgian and I can change this after login no problem, it stays that way; but at login in it always comes back to belgian. I bought my MAC AIR in Belgium (one month ago), with a QWERTY keyboard.

Does someone know what I can do?

Thanks

MacBook Air (13-inch Mid 2013), OS X Mavericks (10.9)

Posted on Oct 26, 2013 12:58 AM

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Faber J.

Q: Problem with changing Input Source keyboard login page. Did I miss something

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  • by JörgfromItaly,

    JörgfromItaly JörgfromItaly Oct 26, 2013 7:09 AM in response to Faber J.
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    Oct 26, 2013 7:09 AM in response to Faber J.

    I bought my iMac in France in 2008 but needed a German keyboard. During the various updates up to now, it was every time (necessary and ) possible to change the keyboard settings up to the version of Mavericks. So I can only confirm your problem. Now it is still possible to change the keyboard on the login page - but just after the logoff the old french setting remains...

    Perhaps there is a possibility to change the installation settings of the first os installation - my research for this was without success.

     

    Some idea?

     

    So hopefully Apple points out a quick solution.

     

    Jörg

  • by Faber J.,

    Faber J. Faber J. Oct 27, 2013 1:58 AM in response to JörgfromItaly
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    Oct 27, 2013 1:58 AM in response to JörgfromItaly

    OK I think I solved my case by changing: com.apple.HIToolbox.plist (library/preferences)

     

          _ 'AppleCurrentKeyboardLayoutInputSourceID_  AppleEnabledInputSources_  AppleDefaultAsciiInputSource^AppleDateResID_  AppleInputSourceHistory_  AppleSelectedInputSources^AppleTimeResID_  AppleNumberResID_ &com.apple.keylayout.USInternational-PC°

     

        _  InputSourceKind_  KeyboardLayout Name_  KeyboardLayout ID_  Keyboard LayoutWBelgian  ”

        WBelgian—  WsmRoman° ”

     

    INTO

     

    _ 'AppleCurrentKeyboardLayoutInputSourceID_  AppleEnabledInputSources_  AppleDefaultAsciiInputSource^AppleDateResID^AppleTimeResID_  AppleSelectedInputSources_  AppleNumberResID_  com.apple.keylayout.US°

     

    _  InputSourceKind_  KeyboardLayout Name_  KeyboardLayout ID_  Keyboard LayoutTU.S. ”

       —  WsmRoman  —  ° ”

     

     

    It still works after several times log-on-log-off

     

     

  • by JörgfromItaly,

    JörgfromItaly JörgfromItaly Oct 27, 2013 11:12 AM in response to Faber J.
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    Oct 27, 2013 11:12 AM in response to Faber J.

    I tried your solution - but it didn't work on my iMac. At the end I tried another way - and it works:

     

    When I change the input device keyboard layout (from French to German) at the login screen and logged in it works for this instance. When I logged out the old french setting appears.

    So I made a new test. I started changing the the keyboard layout like before with the difference of an immediate shutdown without logging in.

    The next reboot me offered the German keyboard setting!!!

     

    Perhaps this could be helpfully for someone!

     

     

  • by HeleenvdS,

    HeleenvdS HeleenvdS Oct 30, 2013 1:21 AM in response to Faber J.
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    Oct 30, 2013 1:21 AM in response to Faber J.

    I have the same issue. I'm Dutch and use Dvorak. I've just upgraded from Lion to Mavericks and the login screen keyboard lay-out keeps defaulting back to the Dutch layout. Annoyingly nobody in Holland even uses the Dutch keyboard lay-out, we always use US-International with Dead Keys (U.S. International - PC), so this keyboard lay-out would be wrong for everyone (and I've never before set it to Dutch).

     

    I had no issues when I was on Lion or on my home-Mac which is still on Snow Leopard.

    I've got the input sources menu on my login screen, it's just really annoying to have to keep changing the keyboard lay-out every time I log-out/boot/restart the computer.

     

    I tried both solutions mentioned above but neither worked for me. Might this be a bug Apple?

  • by JörgfromItaly,

    JörgfromItaly JörgfromItaly Oct 30, 2013 1:50 AM in response to HeleenvdS
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    Oct 30, 2013 1:50 AM in response to HeleenvdS

    So I'm shure there's a bug. What we found out just are workaround's. The solution from Faber didn't work also for me.

    At a certain point I considered also to reinstall all... Sometimes it's the best thing to get rid of old stuff (obsolete settings and programs). With some luck the system could also be quicker afterwards...

     

    What happens, wenn you add other input devices and select what you need before log in and reboot without logging in?

  • by Faber J.,

    Faber J. Faber J. Oct 30, 2013 4:12 AM in response to JörgfromItaly
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    Oct 30, 2013 4:12 AM in response to JörgfromItaly

    I did the reinstall all, but it did not work... In fact the strange thing is that the problem for me was only on the MacBook and not on the iMac... So the upgrade reacts differently. Difficult!

    Jan

     

    PS by the way, same kind of problem with Pages. Cannot open anymore my old documents on the iMac, but no problem on the  MacBook. Why? I am still struggling. It messed up the preferences I fear.

  • by JörgfromItaly,Helpful

    JörgfromItaly JörgfromItaly Oct 30, 2013 4:37 AM in response to Faber J.
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    Oct 30, 2013 4:37 AM in response to Faber J.

    Ok that's interesting (about reinstall)!

     

    I read an article about changes made by Apple concerning the new iWorks Suite. They don't support some old features anymore (http://www.giga.de/downloads/iwork/news/neue-iwork-dateiformate-sind-inkompatibe l-und-langsam/).

     

    Jörg

  • by HeleenvdS,

    HeleenvdS HeleenvdS Oct 30, 2013 4:52 AM in response to Faber J.
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    Oct 30, 2013 4:52 AM in response to Faber J.

    Just for clarity: I'm on a MacBook Pro from Late 2011 (my work laptop). The only other Apple computer I own is a MacBook from Late 2008 (first Aluminium series), but I've not yet upgraded that.

  • by JörgfromItaly,

    JörgfromItaly JörgfromItaly Nov 7, 2013 12:14 AM in response to Faber J.
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    Nov 7, 2013 12:14 AM in response to Faber J.

    Hello Jan,

    I found this notice today - perhaps it's useful for you:

     

    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT6049?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US

     

    Jörg

  • by Faber J.,

    Faber J. Faber J. Nov 7, 2013 11:51 PM in response to JörgfromItaly
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    Nov 7, 2013 11:51 PM in response to JörgfromItaly

    Excellent thanks. This is always interesting.

    My problem was solved in the end. I cannot say how. One day I could not open my documents the other day it worked. I ignore what I have done. Now everything works as expected.

  • by simekadam,

    simekadam simekadam Nov 10, 2013 11:08 AM in response to Faber J.
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    Nov 10, 2013 11:08 AM in response to Faber J.

    I've stumbled over the same issue and solved it by altering the com.apple.HIToolbox.plist as mentioned before..

    It really should work, but make sure you look into both /Library/Preferences and ~/Library/Preferences..

    You should actually alter the com.apple.HIToolbox.plist located in /Library/Preferences because it is a global preference for you machine..The other one will be applied after you log in..

    Also when you change the value in System Preferences, you are actually altering only the ~/Library/Preferences one, so that is why it helps not..

  • by HeleenvdS,

    HeleenvdS HeleenvdS Nov 11, 2013 6:21 AM in response to simekadam
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    Nov 11, 2013 6:21 AM in response to simekadam

    Thanks simekadam! I hadn't realised there were 2 versions of the file.

    simekadam wrote:

     

    You should actually alter the com.apple.HIToolbox.plist located in /Library/Preferences because it is a global preference for you machine..The other one will be applied after you log in..

    I had some issues unlocking the file in /Library/Preferences to edit it (moving the file to my home folder and chown and chmod-ing it eventually worked), but once I had managed to get around that it worked!

  • by Phil-CB,

    Phil-CB Phil-CB Dec 29, 2013 3:53 AM in response to HeleenvdS
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    Dec 29, 2013 3:53 AM in response to HeleenvdS

    Had the same issue on a 10.9.1 system, always setting keyboard layout to Belgian after each reboot.

     

    1. Tried to edit /Library/Preferences/com.apple.HIToolbox.plist as proposed by Faber

    -> did not work; what I had in my file was not what you list in your post

     

    2. Tried to change the keyboard layout at login page (even deleting all others, just keeping US), then restart without logging in, as proposed by JörgfromItaly

    -> did not work

     

    I finally made sure my system language was the expected one (in Terminal, sudo languagesetup) .

    Then deleted the com.apple.HIToolbox.plist and rebooted.

     

    This made the trick for me.

  • by Kevin Geiss,

    Kevin Geiss Kevin Geiss Aug 12, 2014 1:38 PM in response to Faber J.
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    Aug 12, 2014 1:38 PM in response to Faber J.

    an easier way is to set it up how you want it in your account and then copy your user com.apple.HIToolbox.plist onto the system one, then reboot.

     

    do this in terminal:

     

    sudo cp ~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.HIToolbox.plist /Library/Preferences/

     

    then restart your computer without going to the login screen (choose restart from the apple menu without logging out first)

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