Q: WiFi disconnects by it self Mavericks problems

And your point is?

In this day and age, shipping an upgrade that effectively disables wifi is a pretty serious issue?  Or are you saying this is what we should expect of tech companies these days?  This forum isn't gripping about lots of aspects of Mavericks, it's focused on the simple point that, for me at least, rendered my expensive iMac effectively unusable.  Apologies for the rant and not having a solution - none of the suggestions within my tech abilities worked - other than rolling back to SL.

Rant? Rant did you say? Yes. This is officially a rant thread. It is a very poor place to get any problems resolved. If you just want to contribute another "me too" and doing that makes you feel better than having a functional Mac, then, by all means, keep posting here.

It is best to start your own question, provide details that are specific to your hardware and software configuration, and work with people to find a solution, if that is what you really want. WiFi complaints are as old as... WiFi itself, I guess. If you just search for threads to piggy-back your "me too" onto, you will find plenty of opportunity for that. You might even think, after seeing hundreds and hundreds of such posts, that there is a major problem that APPLE NEEDS TO ADDRESS! Alas, Apple doesn't sell machines by the hundreds, but by the millions. For every report of WiFi not working, there are, maybe, 10,000 that work fine. It is unfortunate if you are one that 0.01%, but somebody had to be.

Sure we've all had wi-fi and networking problems and by a series of experiments, trial and error, talking to service providers, telecoms people and so on we've worked out where the source of the problem is and been able to put things right.  No-one is just going to say "Oh dear, I seem to be a very rare example of an expensive bit of kit being rendered useless, never mind eh!"

I think that we all understand that computers are machines that are not infalible and that software is increasingly complex and will inevitably have errors.  Even the Apple Boffins are human.  Surely if all of the observations (made by computer users of varying expertise, in my case little expertise) are fed to those who are directly involved in developing and maintaining the software, problems can be identified and corrected. 

It seems pretty certain that there is a significant and important deficiency in Mavericks that needs to be investigated and corrected.  We have all invested heavily in Apple's products and so we are stakeholders in the company just as the staff and management of the company are.  It is in everyones interest to ensure that all elements of the products work as well as possible even if this can never be perfect.

I abandoned Microsoft because they became sloppy and unreliable, I don't want to see Apple sliding down the same slippery slope.

I don't expect miracles but I do expect a proper response to reports of problems. 

I'm with Peter1948. Let's keep this simple. My wifi was perfect before Mavericks. Now, it's sick. This forum thread has been very helpful to me by providing some suggestions that have improved my network's stability. I'm now using the "caffeinate" command in terminal, and that has been working well in preventing disconnections.

Here's a wish for a happy new year to all forum participants and for a fix of this issue from Apple asap!

So, I had all of my WiFi nightmares resolved until this latest patch (10.9.1), it is now back to disabling the WiFi every 10 to 30 minutes....

Apple, please fix your problem with Mavericks, it obvious from the influx of posts to this forum....

HELP PLEASE!

Alas, everything you have said has already been said by many other people during each and every major and minor OS X release. All those messages are still sitting there, abandonned in old OS forums. You can go back and read them if you want. Many are long rant threads filled with pointless and useless "me too" replies. Some have instances of people mentioning the router model numbers so we can tell they are using a cheap, throwaway ISP-provided device.

You would think that with each OS updates knocking Mac users offline, as of 10.9.1 pretty much all of us would be offline by now. And yet, that isn't the case now is it?

You are a much more experienced and knowledgeable person than most of us seem to be.  I haven't ever had networking issues with Mac.  "It just works" is what persuaded me to change from PC.  This time I do have problems and because they only appeared when I upgraded 2+2=4 but as you say, routers are not all equal and there is obviously some sort of mismatch.  I'm in the UK and running a British Telecom router that are supposed to be pretty good but how could I know how good?  It's just a box with lights on to me.  Even if I were to go out and buy another router I wouldn't be able to judge if it was better as it would just be another box with lights on.

This is a consumer area, we're not technical experts so what are we supposed to do?  Everyone blames everyone else for the issues it seems.

As with all things, being kept in the dark is the most frustrating aspect of the situation.

peter1948 wrote:

 

a British Telecom router that are supposed to be pretty good but how could I know how good? 

A good router doesn't stop working when you upgrade your OS.

It's just a box with lights on to me.  Even if I were to go out and buy another router I wouldn't be able to judge if it was better as it would just be another box with lights on.

It really doesn't matter. Anything your ISP gives you is junk. Any router at any "big box" electronics store will be better. You can even splurge and get the 2nd cheapest router if you really want to be fancy. Then plug that router's WAN port into one of your ISP modem's ethernet ports. Apple sells its own routers too. They are a bit expensive but they come with some fancy features to offset the price.

This is a consumer area, we're not technical experts so what are we supposed to do? 

Ask

That is the problem with the rant thread concept. They are for venting, ranting, and fighting, not for asking and getting help.

I have a Time Capsule plugged into the ISP's box as you suggest but that connection's not working as it has done.

....or ....it wasn't broke so don't fix it!

....but now you have fixed it and now it's broke ....fix it!

peter1948 wrote:

 

I have a Time Capsule plugged into the ISP's box as you suggest but that connection's not working as it has done.

Then perhaps you need to start your own question. The problem is that each problem is unique. Your problem with a Time Capsule is nothing like someone else's problem with an ISP's router. If you start you own thread, and provide the pertinent details there, then people who have similar configurations can help you get it working. If that is what you really want. If you just want to rant, then plug in that ethernet cable and rant on!

Isn't plugging a TC into the ISP modem ethernet port the same thing as you were suggesting in your previous post?  Or am I wrong in thinking that it can act as a router?

I have the same internet connection issues others here are posting since the Mavericks upgrade.  I have a MBP Retina Mid 2012, an iPhone 5, and an iPad (3rd Gen).  It's clearly a Mavericks issue because my iPhone and iPad have no internet issues and my MBP issue only started after the upgrade.  My MBP very randomly drops the internet entirely or shows the connection icon as connected yet no connection functionality happening.  It drops at reboot, waking from sleep, in the middle of use, or stays good all day long.  When it doesn't work, and I go into the Network settings, it seems to always default to the Thunderbolt Bridge option with a dialogue box saying to ensure it is properly configured and my Wifi is 3rd on the list with the signal strength showing but noted as not connected to a network.  My home network is gone from the selection pane where it should be permanently showing as my preferred location.  Each time, I either have to "simply" choose my network from the internet connection icon drop down list OR I have to go into Network preferences and reselect my network there.  It is a horrible redundant loop and, emotions aside please, it is a problem Apple needs to address with Mavericks.  Hence, my report to them about the issue through their feedback mechanism (hope all others are doing the same).  But a thread like this is also important as so many of us are trying to have functional use of our systems in the meantime.  Appreciate all the suggestions, but for me, nothing has yet resolved the issue.