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Q: Info on New Retina Macbook pro 13 Haswell system hang/unresponsive

Since people keep on asking the same questions over and over again, here is sort of a summary of the Thread https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5481839

 

  1. Apple is aware there is a problem, see http://support.apple.com/kb/TS5296
  2. If an USB device is plugged in, freezes do not happen.
  3. There are errors in the syslog reading "kernel[0]: The USB device Apple Internal Keyboard / Trackpad (Port 5 of Hub at 0x14000000) may have caused a wake by issuing a remote wakeup (2)" which seems to be related to the problem.
  4. So far nobody has been found who has a 13" Retina Haswell MacBook Pro who does not have these errors in the system log when no USB device is plugged in.
  5. There are very(!) few people who have reported to not have had any freezes with a Haswell rMBP 13".
  6. Many people report that their rMBP does not freeze for 3 days and then it does. (Which could explain the few people in point 5)
  7. Some people reported graphical errors as well. Here is a description from the user "RIVERSTALKER": "i had a little grey line across my screen for a second, some flinkering lines at the bottom right arround the dock, also for a second and the same above the dock at the bottom left side. this happens just for a second and it is hard to see because the user is aware of other things on the screen."
  8. The freeze seems to be related to Mavericks as some people report having the same problem with older devices after upgrading to Mavericks.
  9. Still, nobody can be 100% sure that it isn't a hardware problem after all. Apple does not comment on this officially.
  10. Communication by Apple is very poor, as well as internal as external. There are still people of the support team of Apple who claim to have never heard of this before and (besides the statement in point 1) there is no other official word from Apple.
  11. Many people returned their 13" rMBP only to find the new device has exact the same issue. This once more points to the direction that all 13" rMBP are affected.
  12. Apple speaks of "rare circumstances". This is true in the term of "per rMBP it usually only happens every 6 hours or something alike". It is not true in terms of "only on a few devices" as all 13" rMBP seem to have this problem. Some people may not realize it due to some USB device plugged in. (see point 2)

Hope that helps

MacBook Pro with Retina display

Posted on Oct 31, 2013 7:47 AM

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  • by BrandoNYC,

    BrandoNYC BrandoNYC Nov 5, 2013 11:13 AM in response to Oli.S72
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    Nov 5, 2013 11:13 AM in response to Oli.S72

    Thank you for putting all of this info together and in one place. 

     

    I have had other errors, as well, including having my screen split while using safari and then dragging the window of the other program away from safari and having the place where it was, remain a blank box over the safari window. 

    I have had a lot of trouble on youtube and other media sites, too. 

    Youtube will not load properly on many videos.  My internet speed is super-fast and I do not have this problem on my other machines. 

    It will try to load, play a few seconds and then stop.  Fifteen minutes later, it will appear that it's fully loaded, and when I attempt to play the video, it does not play. 

  • by The Orbix,

    The Orbix The Orbix Nov 7, 2013 12:24 PM in response to Oli.S72
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    Nov 7, 2013 12:24 PM in response to Oli.S72
  • by Derbysieger04,

    Derbysieger04 Derbysieger04 Nov 7, 2013 12:30 PM in response to Oli.S72
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    Nov 7, 2013 12:30 PM in response to Oli.S72

    I tried it but still have the error in the console.

  • by Xazoola,

    Xazoola Xazoola Nov 7, 2013 3:23 PM in response to Oli.S72
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    Nov 7, 2013 3:23 PM in response to Oli.S72

    I patched it and although It has not locked I to get the kernel message in syslog. What I wonder about the message is: wake by issuing a remote wakeup (2):, Is that two the severity level? if it is then it is a critial error.

  • by The Orbix,

    The Orbix The Orbix Nov 11, 2013 2:00 AM in response to Derbysieger04
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    Nov 11, 2013 2:00 AM in response to Derbysieger04

    Me too... in the Console I still see the

     

    11/11/13 10:54:14,000 kernel[0]: The USB device Apple Internal Keyboard / Trackpad (Port 5 of Hub at 0x14000000) may have caused a wake by issuing a remote wakeup (2)

     

    message logged once or twice a minute.

     

    But after I've installed the EFI Update last Thursday, my rMBP keyboard hasn't freezed.

     

    Maybe the message in the Console and the problem weren't directly related... who knows. Anyway, no more freezes so far, this is definitely good news to me.

  • by MacOSX10.6,

    MacOSX10.6 MacOSX10.6 Nov 13, 2013 9:30 AM in response to The Orbix
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    Nov 13, 2013 9:30 AM in response to The Orbix

    Instead of opening a new thread I should have come here first (apologise for that).

     

    Anyway the firmware update MacBook Pro Retina EFI Update 1.3 did not address the problem:

     

    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5556582?tstart=0]

     

    I see it coming there will be a lot of Macbook Pro recalls as it will turn out it cannot be fixed by software updated alone.

     

    Is there anyone out there who not has experienced a freezing trackpad on a late 2013 Retina 13"?

     

    [I am on a 15" MacBook Pro Retina.]

  • by putnik,

    putnik putnik Nov 13, 2013 10:34 AM in response to MacOSX10.6
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    Nov 13, 2013 10:34 AM in response to MacOSX10.6

    Suggest your brother install the update.

  • by MacOSX10.6,

    MacOSX10.6 MacOSX10.6 Nov 13, 2013 10:41 AM in response to putnik
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    Nov 13, 2013 10:41 AM in response to putnik

    But he did!  As I said he did it 2 days ago.

     

     

     

    Anyway, just spoke to Apple. Of course they haven't heard of the problem before. Anyway their trouble shooting tips are as follows:

     

    ==

    Thank you for contacting Apple.

     

    Based on the details you provided, we think you might find the following information helpful:

     

    OS X Mavericks: Reset your computer's PRAM

     

    Intel-based Macs: Resetting the System Management Controller (SMC)

     

    Sincerely,

    Apple Support

     

    ==

     

     

    But it is not clear for me if resetting the PRAM requires a new installation of the EFI update?

  • by putnik,

    putnik putnik Nov 13, 2013 11:15 AM in response to MacOSX10.6
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    Nov 13, 2013 11:15 AM in response to MacOSX10.6

    Resetting PRAM and SMC will not affect existing software.  But there are many other things that may cause the computer to freeze, apart from the specific issue discussed in this thread.  Somebody migrating from an old PC may well need to update their third party apps, from the developers' websites.  Perhaps your brother could open a thread of his own and describe his system and the problem in more detail.

  • by MacOSX10.6,

    MacOSX10.6 MacOSX10.6 Nov 13, 2013 11:36 AM in response to putnik
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    Nov 13, 2013 11:36 AM in response to putnik

    I will ask him to reset the pram and we will see and wait if the computer freezes again. He has been using the laptop (SSD 256 GB, 8GB RAM) since last Friday and the freezeing just happend for the first time this afternoon.

     

    He was migrating from a 9 year old Windows laptop and I assume there is nothing that he would have had the chance to install on Maverick.

     

    Has anyone any idea what's the deal with "App Nap" and if it causes more trouble than good in combination with the trackpad? 

  • by putnik,

    putnik putnik Nov 13, 2013 12:20 PM in response to MacOSX10.6
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    Nov 13, 2013 12:20 PM in response to MacOSX10.6

    I have a new 13" rMBP and App Nap is enabled while on power adapter.  I've not had any problems.

  • by MacOSX10.6,

    MacOSX10.6 MacOSX10.6 Nov 13, 2013 12:32 PM in response to putnik
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    Nov 13, 2013 12:32 PM in response to putnik

    Maybe it is completely unrelated. But on my new Macbook Pro 15" Retina I often experience a sluggish scrolling responsiveness. But it only happens when I scroll with my two fingers -> let it go and read some text  -> and start scrolling again. And it is then when  the trackpad often will not register my gestures and it takes a second turn.

     

    I was then reading about App Nap and thought the delay can be explained by that new feature. But I haven't it tested with App Nap disabled for some often used programs.

  • by putnik,

    putnik putnik Nov 13, 2013 12:51 PM in response to MacOSX10.6
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    Nov 13, 2013 12:51 PM in response to MacOSX10.6

    If you mean scrolling web pages in Safari, then a slow connection can sometimes do this.  The new Safari has some features that are designed to save energy, image loading etc that may cause old extensions problems. I sometimes have to make several attempts to go horizontally back or forwards between pages, using two finger swipe. 

     

    I use "tap to click" exclusively, if that makes any difference. But no particular problem with slow scrolling.

  • by MacOSX10.6,

    MacOSX10.6 MacOSX10.6 Nov 16, 2013 3:48 AM in response to putnik
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    Nov 16, 2013 3:48 AM in response to putnik

    Update: There is another guy who experienced the exact same problem: trackpad freezes even after the EFI 1.3 update:

     

    https://discussions.apple.com/message/23805734?ac_cid=op123456#23805734

     

     

    Anyway I asked him to come here in order to post his experience.

     

    But my brother resetted the PRAM and the trackpad didn't freeze since then. But will need to wait for some more days for a better clue.

  • by napdan,

    napdan napdan Nov 16, 2013 9:42 AM in response to Oli.S72
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    Nov 16, 2013 9:42 AM in response to Oli.S72

    Hi all,

    I had the keyboard freeze after the EFI update. I resetted the PRAM and for now everything seems to be working. I'll let you know if the problem shows up again.

    Thank you.

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