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2010 Mac Pro 2.8Ghz Quad fans running at high rpm

My (mid 2010) 2.8Ghz Quad core Mac Pro (5,1) fans are running full blast. No processes are happening up front or in the background according to Activity Monitor, and it's unerving to hear the speed and force of the fan (I think it's the front fan - intake).


Sometime ago, a year maybe, I had issues with my Mac Pro bluetooth not showing up, it didn't exist in my System Prefereces! It shipped with Bluetooth and sometimes it showed up and my wireless keyboard and mouse worked, but sometimes it not only didn't work, but literally was not listed under System Prefereces. That issue became such a problem that after communicating with Apple Support, they eventually replaced my entire motherboard.


Since then everything has worked perfectly until last night when I rebooted after a 24 hour period of rendering a project in After Effects. The render was complete and the Mac Pro sounded normal, but I decided to reboot. When it came back on it sounded normal for a few seconds and the front intake fan began spinning up until it was running at full rpms and now it runs full always. I tried a SMC reset, and tried the sleep / wake process but nothing stops the full-tilt intake fan issue.


I am not sure it is hurting anything but it is so loud and disturbing that I don't feel confortable running it. I've been working with Mac Pro's forever - and at work we have two, and older 3Ghz dual quad, and a new 2.66Ghz dual 6-core, and I've never had any issues with them. Before those I've used a hand full of older Mac Pro's but that's going back a long time ago.


I don't know if my coverage started over when I had the motherboard replaced - it was basically a new Mac Pro and I even recieved a new SN. I was kinda shocked at the solution because to me, the issue was the bluetooth card, so replacing the entire motherboard just seemed crazy. I felt like the nightmare Apple customer.


Do any of you have some advice about Mac Pro fans spinning at full speed???

Mac Pro, Mac OS X (10.6.8), CalDigit HDElement

Posted on Oct 31, 2013 8:02 AM

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Posted on Oct 31, 2013 9:32 AM

A corrupt powermanagement plist is one idea. Just installing SmcFanControl to rewrite and override the defaults worked for most that used it and where it was not hardware related.


It could be any one of your video or PCIe cards of course and even memory DIMM.


AHT off the OEM DVD 10.6.4 it came with and SMC Reset would be almost the first things to turn to trying.

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Oct 31, 2013 9:32 AM in response to yet another...

A corrupt powermanagement plist is one idea. Just installing SmcFanControl to rewrite and override the defaults worked for most that used it and where it was not hardware related.


It could be any one of your video or PCIe cards of course and even memory DIMM.


AHT off the OEM DVD 10.6.4 it came with and SMC Reset would be almost the first things to turn to trying.

Oct 31, 2013 10:07 AM in response to yet another...

This always worries me, because it could happen to any of us.


I've read about others with similar fan problems. What usually happens is that they take it back to Apple, and Apple either replaces the logic board (as with your Bluetooth) or they give them a new machine.


This implies that the Apple techs have no idea why the fans suddenly run full speed. They just replace parts until the problem goes away.

This is fine if you are under Apple Care, but, if not, one must resort to SMC FANcontrol, I suppose.


If you install FanControl or iStat, you can see what your fanspeeds are. This will, at least, help you pinpoint which fan is speeding up.

Oct 31, 2013 6:45 PM in response to Studio K

so funny how after all these years working on mac's etc., even if we don't know what's up - it just feels better to know someobdy out there (hello.... hello....) hears me - feels my pain. Yup - first round with my dear first personal Mac Pro was a crazy process of diagnostics and multiple phone calls and the case number and the system scan and upload results - but really nobody knew what was wrong!


I was stunned when they dispatched a guy in a van (complete with ladder) all the way out to Summit County from Denver and he comes upstairs to my "studio" and basically tears my Mac Pro down to the shell, replaces the entire motherboard, reassembles it and gives me a new SN! Seriously - I was almost in shock...


"Where did that motherboard come from? Is it new??? Does this guy know what he's doing??? "Can you just lay all these parts on my carpet like that??? I was pretty nervous.


Anyway - yeah, I feel awful that my fan is maxed out again, but yet I'm doing another AE render anyways. I figure it can't hurt that it's screaming - it's definately not gonna get hot! BUT good suggestion to check the sensor readings! I downloaded smcfancontrol 2.4 and it only had minimums in the custom settings and I didn't see where I could set limits for maximum speeds - really seems like there is no controlling this!

Oct 31, 2013 6:53 PM in response to yet another...

The hatters suggestion was that if you were to install SMC fan control and change the minimum settings, it would re-write the preference file and maybe that would be the solution.


The Mac fans work on a direct feedback loop.Temperatures are measured all over the place, and the fan speeds are adjusted UPWARD from their minimum speeds as the temperature increases.


SMC fan control only lets you specify new minimums. Allowing you to change the maximums may allow you to melt your computer.


You may have a failed or disconnected sensor. That is sometimes picked up by running Apple hardware test.

Oct 31, 2013 7:09 PM in response to yet another...

Boost A looks pretty high.


There is a temperature-sensing transistor either on or very near the Heatsink for the processor. It has been known to fail. The standard part costs about two bucks, but the most frequent failure is a disconnected wire.


EDIT: temperature monitor is available here:


http://www.bresink.com/osx/0TemperatureMonitor/history.html

Oct 31, 2013 7:10 PM in response to yet another...

The offending Fans are the Intake and Exhaust. Both are running at 2800 rpms (possibly their maximum) and bringing the BOOST fan up with them.

They would normally be running at 600 rpm with BOOST at 856.


Create a new profile in SMC Fan Control. Reset the minimums on Intake and Exhaust only. Set them to 1000 rpms each. See what happens. Let us know.

Nov 2, 2013 1:56 PM in response to Studio K

OK - it's Saturday and I spent this morning taking my Mac Pro apart and cleaning it carefully. After reassembling it, it is working normally. The truth is - I have no idea why. I'm maticulous and I keep my space clean and also my Mac's. It had a small small bit of dust on the processor board that slides out, but some of that is because the fans have been crancked.


I removed my CalDigit hardward RAID card and the Radeon ATI 5770 video card. I saw the molex connector for the fans - two different locations on the motherboard and jiggled them but they were secure. I'm so relieved that it's back to normal. I wish I knew exactly what happened and why it is back to normal, but I don't.


Thanks for everything you both have suggested and just for caring.

Dec 9, 2013 11:36 AM in response to yet another...

Got same problem. Nothing helped. All HW tests shows that everything works just fine. And all fans go bananas pretty much right after power up. I think - it is special feature from Apple to force users buy these black trashcannes 🙂 And "logic board" replacement Apple tech's always offers to customers just pssing me off - it could literally cost more than buying same preformance system! Seriously doubt that I'm staying with Apple - already looking for Windows workstation to be my next.

Dec 9, 2013 11:57 AM in response to yet another...

No one uses SMCFanControl to monitor thermal sensors, only to control air flow.


www.macupdate.com has a number of "temperature monitoring" utilities but freeware Temperature Monitor is what I recommend to first try. I use the paid version of same with more features and to support with Hardware Monitor. Or there is iStatPro is very popular.


The Mac Pro fans do not kick into higher rpm until sometimes it is already gotten warm so t he idea is to set a higher rpm first, and use a higher default (reason for multiple fan profiles). And it has one rudimentary temperature reading.

Dec 9, 2013 4:34 PM in response to yet another...

Not really BRO - I got bunch of these "monitoring utility" they ALL showing pretty low teperature values - like 29-35 Celsius. Nothing gets hot or even warm on my MAC PRO. At the same time fans go bananas. This is hardware problem - 100%. Bad solder or broken connector. Apple techsupport is useless unless you want them to help you transfer your cat's pictures from Facebook to iPad. Besides that they always saying "logic board replacement" like some sort of freaky mantra or so 🙂. BTW - "Logic Board" on MAC PRO contains prety much nothing - just PCI slots and some connectors. If problem exists - it must be somewhere on PROCESSOR BOARD.

Dec 9, 2013 6:32 PM in response to Dmitry Burenok

Dmitry, and everyone - really sorry to have been so long with an update but I've been busy with my full-time and also a big freelance video. Here's some stuff I want to share on the full-tilt fan issue I'm experiencing with my 2010 Mac Pro, Model Identifier MacPro5,1 (2.8 GHz Quad core):


I first need to admit that for anyone reading this thresad, you have to imagine the discomfort of what a Mac Pro sounds like hwne the fans are truning at their fastest speed - it's unerving and loud, and I say unerving because of all the Mac Pro's I've worked with for years and years either at Disney or now for Vail Resorts, to finally have purchased my own and have this happen... well, kinda a bummer - I really appreciate my Mac Pro and I hate that it's not working properly. (ok so enough of my feely side, but just to those of you who may not be experiencing this, have compassion).


Apple, through a series of support calls over a year! I'm not kidding and it's a long story, but they graciously sent a guy out to my home! It was crazy, and the van that pulled into my driveway had ladders on top and I'm not recalling the company name but he was a kind of Corporate IT rescue-type, "where's the fire".


He did in fact replace the motherboard, and to be honest, instead of feeling secure and relieved, I felt nervous and could not get a grip on the way he gutted my coveted Mac Pro all over my studio floor (which is carpeted) I was asking as politely as possible if he didn't need any kind of grounding or whatever. Also, in order to get to the motherboard, he removed pretty much everything except.... no he removed everything.


My initial issue revolved around the Bluetooth not being recognized, and when I say not recognized I mean it didn't show up in my System Profiler, and so I couldn't use my mouse (the one the Mac Pro shipped with) and there were some other issues such as my CalDigit Raid often wasn't recognized upon bootup, etc.


I had tried everything, but to get back to this thread, everything was back to normal until about one month ago. I booted up, and the fans kicked into high and stayed there. I have since figured something out: I disconnected everything and basically cleaned it but it was not dirty or dusty but regardless, I was just desparate to get it back to normal. After putting everything back; 5770 video card, RAID controller card, etc. it was back to normal, but I had no idea why. It was shocking to hear it quiet again. Then it came back AGAIN!


I opened it and this time I realized that it isn't the fan that seats the PCIe cards that spins up to full, but the front and rear fans. I noticed the PCIe fan (has the button the allows the shroud to slide back to access the PCIe cards) wasn't spinning at all. I again removed everything and figured out that the connection below the PCIe fan was loose. I was much more careful to replace the fan over the connection, but you can't really see the connection once you re-install that fan. I did my best to seat it and then I put the screws back in and again, it worked normally and as I write this novel to all of you, I am sorry to say that my fans are wailing away aty full-tilt. I am going to assume (since I do not really completely understand what is the true issue) that the connection to my PCIe fan is intermittent and each time I gently place my Mac Pro on its side and clean it and put it back together, I must be establishing a good contact to that fan but it eventually gets loose.


I know that a lot of production trailers have racks of Mac Pro's that are racked sideways and maybe I should try setting my Mac Pro on its' side instead of upright and maybe gravity would help the connection. Not sure. I suppose I could look into buying a new fan. It connects to the aluminum above the processor compartment and it is self-contained - black molded connection makes contact to the motherboard that runs up and down the left side (across from the side that opens). Fan monitoring apps do not make a difference, but I was grateful for the suggestions. At this point I am certain I am not hurting anything (possibly shortening the life of my fans) but it is really hard to edit with the noise - it's really unbearable. I hope any of this is useful to you guys.

2010 Mac Pro 2.8Ghz Quad fans running at high rpm

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