André Tenenbaum

Q: Server File Sharing unstable on mac and windows network on Mavericks and OSX Server 3.0

Since I've updated our mac mini server from Mountain Lion and OSX Server 2.X to Mavericks and OSX Server 3.0  we are having sharing issues with Windows (7 and 8) and OSX Mavericks users, not being able to access files on the mac mini server.

 

What I've notice is that OSX Serer 3.0 stop working and I have to restart the Mac Mini Server to make things start working again.

 

This was not happening with Mountain Lion and OSX Server 2.X.

 

On the Windows and OSX users what happen is the computers keep trying to connect to the server and are not being able to open or copy files. Again this is intermittent, and I suspect it might be a OSX Server bug.

 

Any one having the same problem or can give us and advice would be great help.

 

Thanks.

 

Andre Tenenbaum

Mac mini, OS X Server, with OSX Server 3.0

Posted on Oct 31, 2013 8:36 AM

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  • by Brandon Macinnis,

    Brandon Macinnis Brandon Macinnis Mar 4, 2014 10:02 PM in response to Brandon Macinnis
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    Mar 4, 2014 10:02 PM in response to Brandon Macinnis

    Arrrggghh!  Just after posting, it happened to two files I had open.   So frustrating.  I guess I'll try the second part of your suggestion now...

  • by koa_noise,

    koa_noise koa_noise Mar 5, 2014 7:09 AM in response to Brandon Macinnis
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    Mar 5, 2014 7:09 AM in response to Brandon Macinnis

    Based on my initial testing with 1 Windows machine having OpLocks On and the other with OpLocks Off and all shring under the SMB Mac share:

     

    If the same file is opened by 2 diferent Windows users the file will be locked by the first user either way.

     

    If a file is opend by 1 Windows user and another by a mac user, the Windows user will lock the file.

     

    If the file is first opened with 1 Mac user first then 1 other Windows user Windows will still be able to edit the file.

     

    I opend Word, Excel, and Text files for this test. The Mac's acted the strangest in may case with the SMB share. If you are just using Mac's then shut off SMB sharing until Apple fully supprots SMB2. Man I wish I could go back to Snow Leopard. It worked the best in my opinion.

  • by willem26,

    willem26 willem26 Mar 7, 2014 1:17 PM in response to André Tenenbaum
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    Mar 7, 2014 1:17 PM in response to André Tenenbaum

    Below is a list of commands, settings and machines that I have tried to use  OS X server (SMB2) shares by Windows clients. This list might help someone else to get it working.

     

    Testing machines

    I used Oracle Virtual Box and a  Windows evaluation version for testing (it’s free and easy to set up). For Mavericks I used a ‘clean installation’ on a separate  partition. I also installed OS X in Virtual Box (OS X host, no hackintosh), that’s even more flexible. See also http://www.tekrevue.com/tip/create-usb-installer-os-x-mavericks/.

     

    Windows

     

    OS X server

  • by koa_noise,

    koa_noise koa_noise Mar 12, 2014 9:08 AM in response to willem26
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    Mar 12, 2014 9:08 AM in response to willem26

    Thanks for the post. I will have to dig deeper into the ACL permissions. Until 10.9.2 I was abble to just disable OpLocks on the Windows client and all was well. I know this is not supposed to work with SMB2 but it did make a difference.

     

    I was also using Keepconn and SessTimesout with a time of 65535 but it didn't seam to work as well as I would have liked.

     

    I think this SMB thing with Apple is going to be a moving target with each new update. After 10.9.2 I'm back to loosing connection with the added complication of locked files. This is with SMB2 off and OpLocks off on the Windows client. The Mac side is not much better now either after 10.9.2. I now connect to my Mac shares with AFP which has fixed the Mac client issues.

     

    Grrrrrrr!

  • by kristin.,

    kristin. kristin. Mar 14, 2014 8:51 AM in response to André Tenenbaum
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    Mar 14, 2014 8:51 AM in response to André Tenenbaum

    Just going to add a "me too" to the thread. I'm only running AFP (100% Mac environment) and READ SPEEDS from Mavericks Server are...well...pathetic. I'd started this thread detailing my testing and results (before finding this thread):

     

    https://discussions.apple.com/message/25166110#25166110

     

    I'm about to give up and install Mountain Lion Server.

  • by kristin.,

    kristin. kristin. Mar 14, 2014 12:49 PM in response to kristin.
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    Mar 14, 2014 12:49 PM in response to kristin.

    I also wanted to update that, since I'm running all my tests in a testing environment, I was able to quickly install Mountain Lion Server on the same Xserve, set up exactly the same as Mavericks Server was set up, and the File Sharing issues I was seeing in Mavericks Server do not exist in Mount Lion Server. With Mountain Lion Server, I'm getting consistent, sustained speeds of 100 MB/s read/write (where as, in Mavericks, I was only getting 45 MB/s reads).

  • by marmle,

    marmle marmle Mar 17, 2014 12:46 PM in response to kristin.
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    Mar 17, 2014 12:46 PM in response to kristin.

    Am I able to install Mountain Lion Server on Mavericks 10.9.2 ? Or are they not compatible?

    Do you have a copy of the old Mountain Lion Server ? Only 3 is abilable on App store.

  • by Master Mark,

    Master Mark Master Mark Mar 18, 2014 1:27 AM in response to marmle
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    Mar 18, 2014 1:27 AM in response to marmle

    No, not compatible. Mountain Lion Server is 10.8.x based. I'm going to take a new Macmini with 10.9.x server and see if it's capable of running 10.8.x Server (depends on model-ID and kernel of 10.8.x if this will work).

     

    I'm also looking at some type of Linux distribution that is capable of giving the same functionality as OS X Server for filesharing - FTP- and perhaps mail (Kerio). It's a mistery to me what Apple's roadmap of OS X server and hardware-servers is at this time (I miss the old Xserve and 10.6.8 server

     

    Check with Apple if you can get the old software via the Store (think you should call, I've heart that it is possible to get older versions by calling).

  • by rickblackdog,

    rickblackdog rickblackdog Mar 18, 2014 4:39 AM in response to André Tenenbaum
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    Mar 18, 2014 4:39 AM in response to André Tenenbaum

    3.1 has just dropped - anyone know if the locking issue is resolved?!?!?!

  • by kristin.,

    kristin. kristin. Mar 18, 2014 7:26 AM in response to rickblackdog
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    Mar 18, 2014 7:26 AM in response to rickblackdog

    I installed the 3.1 update as soon as it was released and tested my AFP speed issues and they still persist into the 3.1 release (i.e., Mavericks Server still only serves AFP read times of less than 50 MB/s). Booting back into Mountain Lion Server, speeds return to the full 100 MB/s reads.

     

    I have a bug report open with Apple on this issue and am currently running tests for them.

    k.

  • by Florian Kriener,

    Florian Kriener Florian Kriener Mar 25, 2014 3:51 AM in response to kristin.
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    Mar 25, 2014 3:51 AM in response to kristin.

    Server 3.1.1 now Available... Did anyone test the Update?

  • by Ryan Sturt,

    Ryan Sturt Ryan Sturt Mar 25, 2014 7:25 AM in response to Florian Kriener
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    Mar 25, 2014 7:25 AM in response to Florian Kriener

    Updated to 3.1.1 this morning. Symptoms remain.

     

    3/25/14 10:18:51.308 AM smbd[41719]: File system does not support 0X40000, file attrs

    3/25/14 10:18:51.308 AM smbd[41719]: File system does not support 0X0 time attrs

    3/25/14 10:18:51.308 AM smbd[41719]: File system does not support 0X0, size attrs

    3/25/14 10:18:51.310 AM smbd[41719]: File system does not support 0X40000, file attrs

    3/25/14 10:18:51.310 AM smbd[41719]: File system does not support 0X0 time attrs

    3/25/14 10:18:51.311 AM smbd[41719]: File system does not support 0X0, size attrs

    3/25/14 10:18:53.449 AM smbd[41719]: File system does not support 0X40000, file attrs

    3/25/14 10:18:53.449 AM smbd[41719]: File system does not support 0X0 time attrs

    3/25/14 10:18:53.449 AM smbd[41719]: File system does not support 0X0, size attrs

    3/25/14 10:18:53.450 AM smbd[41719]: File system does not support 0X40000, file attrs

    3/25/14 10:18:53.450 AM smbd[41719]: File system does not support 0X0 time attrs

    3/25/14 10:18:53.450 AM smbd[41719]: File system does not support 0X0, size attrs

  • by Patrick Savelberg (Private),

    Patrick Savelberg (Private) Patrick Savelberg (Private) Mar 25, 2014 7:51 AM in response to André Tenenbaum
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    Mar 25, 2014 7:51 AM in response to André Tenenbaum

    10.9.3 will fix the problem. Currently still in beta testing, but i can confirm that is is fixed in the latetest beta we got.

    Hope 10.9.3 will come out soon.

  • by Ryan Sturt,

    Ryan Sturt Ryan Sturt Mar 25, 2014 8:17 AM in response to Patrick Savelberg (Private)
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    Mar 25, 2014 8:17 AM in response to Patrick Savelberg (Private)

    With all due respect, the same was reported with the 10.9.2 beta, but the issues remained.

  • by kristin.,

    kristin. kristin. Mar 25, 2014 8:43 AM in response to Ryan Sturt
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    Mar 25, 2014 8:43 AM in response to Ryan Sturt

    Server 3.1.1 didn't fix the AFP issues. Can't comment on the 10.9.3 beta (NDA), but again, "Server 3.1.1" didn't fix the AFP issues.

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