Brian E.

Q: Does anyone have any positive feedback after upgrading to Mavericks?

I have a couple of computers that I bought in February 2012 (iMac, MacBook Pro) running OS 10.7.5, and I'd like to upgrade to Mavericks, but the forum shows all negative experiences with the upgrade, so I'm wondering whether I should wait to install.  Thanks all.

Take care,

Brian

iMac, Mac OS X (10.7.5), 16GB RAM

Posted on Nov 5, 2013 7:58 PM

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  • by MichelPM,

    MichelPM MichelPM Nov 6, 2013 12:35 PM in response to thomas_r.
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    Nov 6, 2013 12:35 PM in response to thomas_r.

    To each his/her own, I guess.

    Like I have stated, been using TTP and DW for many, MANY years without any detriment to my system.

    I use this mainly for data/disk repair/recovery and to defrag my internal hard drives from time to time.

    I have found that doing a full defrag of just data on my internal hard drives from time to time helps immensely with speeding things up on both my older Mac and my newer iMac.

    I do a full defrag of just data using TTP, depending on the amount of regular use, every 2-3 months.

    I have never had any issues, drive or data corruption or loss and while I fully know that hard drives can and will fail at some point, the two internal drives that are still in my PowerMac G4 have been subjected to TechTool Pro on many occasions and are still working in that PowerMac after almost seven years without any hiccups.

    And I have used TTP only a few occasions within the two years I have had my 2009 iMac.

    No problems. Haven't had to use Disk Warrior at all (yet) on the 2009 iMac, either.

    So, opinions about Mac drive utilities seems to be of varying and mixed reports and opinions.

    Your mileage may vary.

     

  • by Brian E.,

    Brian E. Brian E. Nov 6, 2013 8:52 PM in response to John Galt
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    Nov 6, 2013 8:52 PM in response to John Galt

    Hi John,

    Thank you for taking the time to respond--I appreciate it.

    Your response came at a perfect time--I recently ran TTP, and it said that it had found a bad block.  I ran the test again, with the same results.

    So how do I remedy a "bad block?" And TTP does offer checks of the HD at intervals I set to check for "an impending hard drive failure before it becomes catastrophic." TTP also creats a bootable disc in case I'm unable to start the computer.  None of these features are worthwhile?  I need to ask because I've always been big on prevention, especially after seeing other photographers lose everything because they took little or no precautions. I've never had to deal with any of these situations, but again I'm being cautious.  Overcautious?

    Take care,

    Brian

  • by Brian E.,

    Brian E. Brian E. Nov 6, 2013 8:54 PM in response to MichelPM
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    Nov 6, 2013 8:54 PM in response to MichelPM

    Hi Michel,

    I also have DiskWarrior and AppleJack, but have never had to use them--when my disk went down, there was no recovery of anything, it was gone, but I did have everything backed up.

    I really appreciate the feedback--thank you for taking the time to respond.

     

    Take care,

    Brian

  • by Brian E.,

    Brian E. Brian E. Nov 6, 2013 9:06 PM in response to Topher Kessler
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    Nov 6, 2013 9:06 PM in response to Topher Kessler

    Hi Topher,

    I appreciate your opinion on this--I've had no issues with TTP either, and I do use it to warn me about free space, the startup disk feature, and to defragment files, and I have found that things run a bit smoother after doing so.

    But I'm also curious about why others feel it's a detriment to the system.

     

    On another note: Do you, or anyone who reads this, have any experience with software that will track a stolen computer or laptop?

    I may have to start another thread to ask this, but I travel quite a bit for work, and the last software I bought for this purpose has turned out to be completely useless--it has "located' my computer in the reports it generates when my laptop goes online in some interesting places--in South Carolina when I was actually in New Orleans, Colorado when I'm in Wisconsin, and Eau Claire, Wisconsin when I'm in Madison.  What use is a computer tracking app if it can't get the computer's location right?  BTW, the software is MacPhoneHome--avoid at all costs.  Whenever I tried to contact them to try and figure out issues, my correspondence was either ignored, or it took weeks for someone to get back to me with an unsatisfactory answer.

     

    Take care,

    Brian

  • by RustyQShackleford,

    RustyQShackleford RustyQShackleford Nov 6, 2013 9:13 PM in response to MichelPM
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    Nov 6, 2013 9:13 PM in response to MichelPM

    I have a mid-2011 MacBook Air running Lion, and I've been thinking of upgrading to Mountain Lion, primarily so that I can do Airplay mirroring to my 2nd-Gen AppleTV.     

     

    Now I find that though ML will cost me $19.99, I can get Mavericks for free.   So I'm obviously tempted to do just that.   A few questions:

     

    1. MichelPM says 4GB is a minimum of RAM for Mavericks.   That's what I have.  Will I be sorry if I upgrade to Mavericks without installing more memory ?   Is it even possible to DIY memory upgrade in an AIr ?

     

    2. A lot of times, an OS upgrade is considered compatible with older hardware (like mine), but doesn't actually work well.   I gather that is not the case here, right ?

     

    3. Airplay Mirroring will work, right ?

     

    Thanks !


  • by Brian E.,

    Brian E. Brian E. Nov 6, 2013 9:19 PM in response to thomas_r.
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    Nov 6, 2013 9:19 PM in response to thomas_r.

    Hi Thomas,

    Thank you for taking the time to respond--I appreciate it.

     

    It's not just Apple that provides the forum--Adobe, Microsoft, all software companies do it.  I have AppleCare on all of my products, so I'm OK the first couple of years, and I'm more than OK with folks that have the same products offering their help & advice.


    My point is that if you have a problem with a power washer down the road, or let's say a clothes dryer, you can call the manufacturer and ask a question without being charged for it, or you don't have to hunt down other customers to find out how to fix your issue.

     

    And thank you for the feedback on TTP as well.

     

    Take care,

    Brian

  • by John Galt,

    John Galt John Galt Nov 6, 2013 10:23 PM in response to Brian E.
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    Nov 6, 2013 10:23 PM in response to Brian E.

    Brian E. wrote:

     

    So how do I remedy a "bad block?"

     

    You don't.

     

    Every hard disk has bad blocks, even when they are brand new. Bad blocks are automatically mapped as unusable by the drive's firmware, and bad blocks stay bad forever. As a drive ages and becomes subject to environmental contaminants and other abuses, they become greater in number, growing at an accelerating rate. When bad blocks become too great in number, the disk rapidly becomes unusable. When a hard disk fails in that manner, it cannot be fixed.

     

    Hard disk drives suffer other failure modes caused by other problems, some of them sudden and catastrophic. That's the reason backups are a necessity, if you consider your stored data important. Other than keeping a HD in a clean, dry environment as free as possible from physical abuse, and ensuring the equipment in which they're installed is adequately cooled, there is no way to prevent their eventual failure.

     

    The unit cost for flash memory storage is falling so rapidly that hard disks in consumer grade electronics will soon become as obsolete as phonographs. SSDs don't suffer from the same failure modes, unfortunately they still suffer from different failure modes, which means backups will still be required.

     

     

    None of these features are worthwhile?

     

    No. They are completely worthless - if you maintain a backup strategy. TTP's only useful purpose would be to "repair" a disk that becomes unreadable so that you can extract data from a hard disk that has failed in a less than catastrophic manner, but in that event some degree of irretrievable data loss has already occurred. The best you could do is extract any data that remains intact, but that's a moot point if you have backups. If you rely upon your Mac for professional work, backups are a necessity.

     

    Apple's Disk Utility can "repair" a disk just as well. It doesn't do "surface scans" though, because it's entirely pointless to do so for the reasons I explained. Using such utilities to check the HD at intervals can do nothing other than accelerate wear, reducing its lifespan.


    Overcautious?

     

    As it applies to backups, there is no such thing. On the other hand, such utilities as you describe offer nothing more than a misplaced sense of comfort at best, which is harmful in itself.

  • by dwb,

    dwb dwb Nov 6, 2013 11:53 PM in response to Brian E.
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    Nov 6, 2013 11:53 PM in response to Brian E.

    Two things need to be pointed out. First, the ASC is sort of an urgant care facility for Mac owners. You aren't going to find lots of positive posts because people come here to find solutions to their problem. Second, OS upgrades are never totally smooth; partly because software is always released before it is ready and partly because no matter how much testing is done before hand someone (lots of someones) will do things the testers never considered.

     

    Over the years I've given lots of advice to computer owners because that has been my job. My best advice for upgrading boils down to 1) have a backup (or 2) in case something goes wrong and 2) don't rush into it. Let others find the bugs. I'm a techie so you'll always find me on the bleeding edge but I have a bootable clone prepared so I can jump right back if there's a disaster and I never upgrade my primary computer until I'm satisfied the OS is ready for my prime time.

  • by Brian E.,

    Brian E. Brian E. Nov 7, 2013 6:50 PM in response to John Galt
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    Nov 7, 2013 6:50 PM in response to John Galt

    Hi John,

    Thank you for your explanation--I appreciate you taking the time to explain your stance on TTP.

     

    When I bought my new Macs, I asked about backups, about having to upgrade my copy of Retrospect, which I had used for years. 

    The company I bought my Macs from is a local Apple specialist, and I had bought my previous office & laptop computers from him nine years earlier, so I trust his word.  He said that Time Machine was the standard for backups on Macs, that there was no need to buy Retrospect again.

     

    So as usual, I bought a 2TB external FireWire 800 drive from OWC (who I've also been working with for years, and I always buy at least one external drive for storage & backups per computer from them) for my office computer and a portable 750GB external HD for the MacBook Pro and just use Time Machine to backup my computers.  Yes, my computer content is very important to me, since the majority of it is work-related.

     

    In your opinion John, is TM all I need for backing up my computers?  Or is there something else I should consider?

     

    And I've decided for now to wait on Mavericks, at least until after my business trip later this month, not because of any issues that folks have reported (your star chart pretty much shows most have had no issues) but because I don't have enough time to familiarize myself with the new OS before then. 

    I do usually wait until at least one update is released before I load anything on the computers--the iOS 7 release wreaked a bit of havoc on my iPhone 4, and although 7.0.2 cleared up most issues, the phone, contacts and voicemail are still molasses-in-winter slow.

     

    Take care,

    Brian

  • by Brian E.,

    Brian E. Brian E. Nov 7, 2013 6:58 PM in response to dwb
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    Nov 7, 2013 6:58 PM in response to dwb

    Hi dwb,

    Thank you for your help & reply.

    Yeah, I understand that most folks come here when they have a computer issue, but I also know that lots of techies, computerheads, etc. will come here to talk shop and post feedback, and initially I found no positive talk whatsoever of Mavericks, which prompted me to start this thread.

     

    Even though I haven't loaded it yet, I do have a bit of positive feedback regarding Mavericks--I think it's wonderful that Apple has finally provided an OS upgrade free of charge.  In the past, I would skip most of the minor upgrades that had a price tag on them, especially since they rarely had any features that would drastically improve my work or workflow.

     

    So a tip of the hat to Apple for the comp OS upgrade!

     

    Take care,

    Brian

  • by John Galt,

    John Galt John Galt Nov 7, 2013 7:31 PM in response to Brian E.
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    Nov 7, 2013 7:31 PM in response to Brian E.

    Yes, Time Machine is all you need, but redundant or "rotating" backups are advantageous, and backups created using different methods is the ideal strategy.

     

    Time Machine is devastatingly easy to use; its sole control consisting of an "on/off" switch, and its function is highly integrated in OS X. All you need is an external disk. Connect a formatted disk and Time Machine literally does the rest. It even handles "rotating" backups automatically, cycling scheduled backups among the devices available to it.

     

    "Clone" software such as Carbon Copy Cloner is far more customizable. Unlike TM it requires a bit of thought to use, but it can create bootable backup volumes whereas TM cannot. It's not free but it is very well supported. I recommend both. Merely having a backup seems to preclude the need to ever rely upon it.


    I used Retrospect for a long time, but Time Machine rendered it obsolete as you said.

     

    Waiting to upgrade is definitely a conservative approach. Though Mavericks has been a remarkably trouble-free upgrade, no OS X version ever ended in "point zero".

  • by LauraMackie,

    LauraMackie LauraMackie Nov 7, 2013 8:12 PM in response to Brian E.
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    Nov 7, 2013 8:12 PM in response to Brian E.

    I haven't had any problems with the upgrade.  In fact, my computer seems faster now.  I have a 2012 MacBooks pro 15" retina.

  • by Giltai,

    Giltai Giltai Jan 9, 2014 12:42 AM in response to Brian E.
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    Jan 9, 2014 12:42 AM in response to Brian E.

    Hi Brian

    I've just happened onto this discussion as I wanted to see what people are saying about Maverick. I have upgraded and the upgrade went seamlessly. To go back a step I have come from snow leopard straight to Maverick well actually I brought Lion but did not like it so down graded to snow leopard. My experience has been negative with Maverick, I am not a power user all I want to do is switch the computer on and do whatever I want to do, up until snow leopard the mac was doing that for me without any issues  I switched from PC many years ago because of that very fact " to much down time getting the thing going any good ". For me Maverick has made my computer run slow, fan seems to run more often, crashes/freezes at different times, some programs that have been faultless up until now are not working properly even tho they are suppose to be compatible with Maverick, so the overall experience has been bad. I've checked disk space, run programs to clean up the machine and check everything is working okay but nothing seems to get it going as good as it use to. The only reason I upgraded and I think it's why people reluctantly do is any new software you want to purchase is designed for the latest versions available.

  • by Lexiepex,

    Lexiepex Lexiepex Jan 9, 2014 1:27 AM in response to Giltai
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    Jan 9, 2014 1:27 AM in response to Giltai

    Sorry to hear that. start a new thread and describe your issues. Post the link to your new thread here and we can find you easily. Maybe start by giving an Etrecheck list in that new thread, to avoid a lot of questions.

    Lex

  • by Lexiepex,

    Lexiepex Lexiepex Jan 9, 2014 1:47 AM in response to Brian E.
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    Jan 9, 2014 1:47 AM in response to Brian E.

    Hi Brian,

    I have never had any problems with Mavericks (first question), not with a clean install, not with an install over an existing installation. It is faster and handles Ram much better.

    But Mavericks is different and the most obvious difference is often overlooked: it does not sync the Calendar and the Contacts file anymore through iTunes. These two are handled through iCloud now.

    Since I travel a lot between several countries and do not have he best internet connections there (if at all), that was a complication for me, as I necessarily have avoided having everything in the cloud.

    I agree with all other posters about backups: have more than one!

    Especially the exposé by John and Dwb (hi, you both) are good. One remark though on John's post: he says "If you rely upon your Mac for professional work, backups are a necessity". I disagree, in all situations, also for unimportant personal data, backups are a necessity ! Because at the moment you have a crash and you do not have a backup you find suddenly that you need those data (Murphy's law).

    Lex

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