How to buy the 1TB PCIe-based Flash Storage ?

proaudioguy wrote:

Those media files are not personal, it's my job

The MBA has no relation to the rmbp.

Thats why the question was asked, IF you needed 1TB onboard SSD, in your case you do, apparently,

however you are the very rare exception as you have stated......, almost nobody does, however you do.

As for SSD storage, the MBA and MBP are identical when it comes to storage philosophy, so thats incorrect.

AxeBox360 wrote:

External drives will work for some, and not for others. Like me, I carry my Macbook from meeting to meeting in one hand,and my coffee, notes, mouse, phone, whatever in the other hand.

External HD are an absolute forgone necessity for data redundancy, backup, and for static large files.

when you have a SSD or HD crash, as all professionals know about, then youll find out why you need an external HD, regardless, at all times.

unless of course data loss is no concern whatsoever, of which I know of no such persons.

In regards to the MBA vs rMBP, in terms of computing power there is no comparison.

Agreed about backup. I carry a superdupe backup of my entire drive which is bootable. If my HD goes down, I can boot my rig to ANY macbook made in the last 3 years. There are usually lots of them on the show, in fact I could probably get away without carrying a machine at all if I wanted to do it this way, but it's not as fast.

I also carry a backup of my music so that's 3 external drives I'm carrying. If I could fit everything on the internal, I would only have to carry a single external with the OS and the media instead of 3 externals. Just to clarify, I have the OS and Apps internal and external, then I have music external and a backup of that also external.if Music was internal, then a single OS/ APPS/ MUSIC backup drive would suffice. I figure that is doing my due dilligence. It's not rocket surgery so no one will die if my rig goes down in flames, but I like to keep making a living.

proaudioguy wrote:

In regards to the MBA vs rMBP, in terms of computing power there is no comparison.

I also carry a backup of my music so that's 3 external drives I'm carrying

Thats great, I have 120+ hard drives myself, I manage a 48 Terabyte collection, and a 32 Terabyte colletion of media.

Yes, a superduper HD clone is the best premise for fast back-to-work, a nice bootable clone.

write about same here:

Methodology to protect your data. Backups vs. Archives. Long-term data protection

I have both the base model current Pro and the new Air, there is no difference to be noted between the two on anything other than heavy applications like Logic, Sound Forge, CC, or CS video / photos edits. Or using Adobe Audition, likely some apps you likely use.

Most people arent using such heavy applications and would not notice any difference on text, surfing, video watching, and general simplex applications...., those that need it, do, of course.

So, the "no comparison" is not correct across the board, or in general, in specific to necessitated cores needed for video and pro audio applications, there is of course a very obvious difference.

Neither the Pro or Air is going to under / over perform each other in text, web surfing, watching videos, Acrobat Pro, FTP file transfers, or 802ac wifi.

Peace 😊

I will take that under advisement.

I purposely purchased the rMBP 13" for my wife in December just in case I needed to use it for work at some point. I felt the MBA would never stand up to the task and for the same configuration but with a far slower processor clock, it was the same or more money. Her machine runs so well, I have wondered if I would get away with a pair of 13" for less than the cost of my single 15", but I really like my 15". I am getting more and more dead pixels though. When it becomes annoying I will have it replaced. SInce I'm not a graphics guy professionally, I can live with a certain amount but they do drive me crazy.

I am debating picking up PT or Logic. Any opinion? Most of the live guys seems to prefer Logic although when playing back canned tracks, it's almost always PT due to the fact that they used that in the studio. The guys counting on it day in and out use Mac Pros, not MBP.

Hey I have another stupid Mavericks bug. My 2 finger scroll just quits working in my browser, doesn't matter which one. I have to quite and re-open the browser to get it going again. WOrks for a few, then quits again. SOmetimes it will work fine for weeks, then suddenly (as in tonight) it flakes after about 1-2 minutes. Driving me nuts. Have no way to downgrade to ML.

That is seriously one of the crazier things I've heard, PlotinusVeritas. You really expect a *mobile* user to connect a spinning disk via USB to their machine to access content, etc? Have you tried using your laptop, on well, you know, your lap with stuff hung off it? It's obtuse to say the least, and impossible in many scenarioes. It's usually ridiculous. I don't care how small/thin/whatever it is, I expect (and I do not consider this an uncommon or unreasonable expectation) to grab my MBP (which AAPL has worked hard to make very, very portable for what it is, with all day battery life for a normal work day) off my desk in the AM, head out, and be back all day with really just that. No fussing with an external drive. That's crazy!

Attendently, AAPL has designed and tested the SSDs in the MBP (and specced them as such) that you can do exactly this.

Your reasoning doesn't make sense (at least in 2014), either economics or otherwise.

Let me get in front of this question: Use the SSD/flash drive as you would any other storage device, I say. If it wears, it wears. Spinning disks wear out, too. Between wear leveling algorithms, how great the tech has become, and the aforementioned - use your computer like a regular computer. Screw carrying around external disks that suck more power, are wonky at best to use, and are just a pain in the *** to forget/lose/drop/break/carry.

MacInTride wrote:

1. You really expect a *mobile* user to connect a spinning disk via USB to their machine to access content, etc?

2.Attendently, AAPL has designed and tested the SSDs

3. Your reasoning doesn't make sense (at least in 2014), either economics or otherwise.

4. Use the SSD/flash drive as you would any other storage device, I say. If it wears, it wears. Spinning disks wear out, too.

5. use your computer like a regular computer

Sorry, but you have no idea what you are talking about.

1. Many 1000s of people do this every day. SSD are currently not up to keep serious data storage at a reasonable price, and regardless, data redundancy is a necessity. Unless you cherish data loss.

External HD are a necessity for A: redundancy of data

B: storage of large static files.

Many countless 1000s of USB slim HD are sold every day for this very reason.

Your lack of understanding of this simplex fact requires research. 😊

2. Apple uses , currently Samsung and Sandisk SSD, never has Apple made or designed SSD, so , incorrect.

3. Cost per Terabyte of HD is extremely cheap, cost per TB of SSD is EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE.

So, wrong again.

1TB of convention HD is $60 wholesale.

Now price 1TB of SSD................ (insert your discovery).

4. All HD and SSD fail, the only point is redundancy. redundancy, redundancy, do your research before making baseless statements:

Methodology to protect your data. Backups vs. Archives. Long-term data protection

SSD have plenty of their own serious concerns though no moving parts.

SSDs Have Bleak Future, Says Researchers

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/NAND-Flash-SSD-MLC-TLC-Laura-Grupp,14728.html

Why Flash Drive Density Will Stop Growing Next Year

http://www.enterprisestorageforum.com/technology/features/article.php/3904146/Wh y-Flash-Drive-Density-Will-Stop-Growing-Next-Year.htm

SSD are also fast approaching theoretical ultimate limits of densities, meaning the steel ceiling they cannot break thru.

also data recovery off a SSD is a pure nightmare.

Avoid SSDs for important files, says data recovery firm

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/385498/avoid-ssds-for-important-files-says-data-reco very-firm

contrary to views a few years ago about hard drives dying out, just the opposite has happened, people storing TONS of data is way up, and SSD in no way whatsoever can handle any of that.

too small in GB

too expensive

You can go here to stay up to date:

http://www.storagenewsletter.com/

5. A computer is NOT a data storage device, you should learn this important point or risk serious data loss.

Compartmentalize your system (OS) hub backup vs. that of your data hub archives, in so doing any failure in your computer (system [OS], data, computer) becomes quick to recover from!

Any Macbook or desktop should be idealized as a working platform computer system, containing all your applications, documents, and weekly-use necessary files; and all media files such as ‘big-data’ (music/PDF collections/video/pictures), unless directly needed in the near future, should be kept off the computer and on external storage USB or likewise bare hard drives.

Never consider any computer a data storage device at any time under any circumstance, rather a data creation, sending, and manipulation device. Anyone who thinks data is safe on any computer, even copied upon multiple partitions is making a mistake that will, without fail, strike.

I bought a rMBP with a 1TB SSD. It is wonderful. I use it like a regular machine. It's got all the content I need on a day to day basis on it. I have it TM backed up and also off-site backed up (duh, to not SSDs, but for live access to content I'm working on/use/need/like to view, it's un-freaking-beatable).

Believe it or not, there are those of us who aren't looking to pinch every penny when our work or convenience is on the line. Clearly, my rMBP machine that shipped with 1TB SSD was reasonably enough priced for me and many others to buy it and use it daily *AS A DATA STORAGE MACHINE*. Of course, I'm not creating a NAS server out of it (uh, yeah, that's dumb, but, no one is doing that although it seems to be that you think we are?).

Fine, feel free to make this about personal attacks, and think/say I may not know what I'm talking about, I won't sit and argue my credentials or yours here for any number of reasons, but the most relevant, of course, being, that the use cases speak for themselves: 1TB of SSD is selling. For reasonable premium rMBP prices. People are using them in exactly the use cases you seem to not understand/believe in. The world has not ended, we are are not bankrupt, and we're not really losing data any more than you'd expect otherwise with 1TB of platters (in fact, I'd suggest it's probably lower in a mobile form factor where those platters take hits and have horrible on-off-heat cycling!). The MTBFs just don't support your contention in these use cases.

But, again, maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but I'm fine being in that camp/company, because I have all my content online on my 1TB SSD to work on/play with in a nice form factor. Man, this ignorance thing really is blissful!

MacInTride wrote:

I bought a rMBP with a 1TB SSD. It is wonderful. I use it like a regular machine.

Thats good.

However none of this has anything to do with real world safe data redundancy and data archiving.

Of which, regardless of price, is not done using SSD.

Rather conventional hard drives.

Backup and Data archives are made using:

Time Machine (which of course is a conventional HD)

and server farms (which of course are just large arrays of conventional HD)

and the "Cloud" (which of course are just large arrays of conventional HD)

and NAS (which of course are just large arrays of conventional HD)

and HD clones (which of course are just conventional HD)

and in some instances Optical, and large companies still use 3M TAPE for data archives.

This is why it is prudent, recommended, and people pack around "spinning hard drives"

Millions and millions of USB 'spinning' drives are sold each year and used for this purpose.

Knowledge is power. Protect your data.

MTBF does'nt matter when data redundancy is in place, this is the working premise of professionals who never worry about SSD or HD failure.

when multiple redundancies are in place, worry about SSD and HD failure becomes 100% irrelevant.

Peace 😉

I have to agre with MacInTride. I don't recall anyone saying HDDs are dead and we should never use them. I'm now as of this week carrying a 1TB Enterprise Class 2.5" HDD (requires a 12V DC adapter to provide 12V and 5V) that is very fast and a Samsung 1TB Evo 840 SSD. THe HDD has become the backup and will now stay in the Pelican Storm case (I drag 2 of them around). SO now I am finally working on moving some music around and even though this Samsung drive is extremely light and extremely fast, it is a HUGE hassle to have hanging off the side of my computer. Everytime I get up I have to carefully arrange things. Of course I couldn't really do that with the HDD because if you even move it while it's spinning you risk massive damage so I was stick sitting at a table when using that drive. I have had drives die from an 18" drop before. Glad to have the samsung. I'm actually seriously considering velcroing it to the back of my LCD on my rMBP just to make it more portable. ALl Apple had to do was make a 1TB when I ordered my machine (765 was the biggest and the 256 leap was $500 and NOT BIG ENOUGH) or provide an upgrade path at a later time. I paid $500. for this external drive plus the $25 for the USB 3.0 to SATA III adapter. I would have gladly paid that to get an internal 1TB SSD for my mac, and a case to put my 512GB into just so I wouldn't have to carry these attachments around. When I'm on a show my computer is attached, and so it's fine there. Just a hassle the rest of the time. I will continue to use time machine on my way over priced 3TB time capsule, and superduper on an external local drive, but that has no impact on wanting a very large internal SSD. I'm not mad at you.

Ps I have our photo collection on 4 3.5" drives, the Time Capsule, and my wife's iphoto which has had to be moved to an external due to the space it was taking on her internal SSD. They are all HDDs.

Well the poster prior to yourself was making the fallacious comparison that a mobile user is mobile WHILE making data backups or using a conventional HD.

Unless you're on a train or car 100% of the time you're mobile and away (and nobody is), then this is no issue.

HD heads ride air cushions when spinning, it takes a serious jar or drop to cause head crash on modern HD.

Ive taken obsolete 'modern' HD of a few years old and intentionally written 20GB plus to them while smacking them around, and slapping them, and dropping them 10 inches or so onto hard surface.

I couldnt crash a single one, that not to say that its not , of course, 'easily' possible to do same.

..everyone should certainly see this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wiy_eHdj8kg

The only inaccuracy in the video is at 1:47 where he says the magnets arent sensitive to temp.

Well, thats wrong, neodymium iron boron ceramic perm. magnets definitely ARE sensitive and degraded from temperature, however theyre high temps not really seen in any computer.

If all Macbooks came with 2TB SSD minimum internally, it solves nothing other than faster and larger internal data access.

it doesnt solve backups or necessitated data redundancy,

....and even now, 1TB is turning into a joke, when it comes to growing huge data needs.

proaudioguy wrote:

I'm actually seriously considering velcroing it to the back of my LCD on my rMBP just to make it more portable.

Theres actually a device by another company coming out to do almost that (however not on the back of the LCD).

proaudioguy wrote:

I don't recall anyone saying HDDs are dead and we should never use them.

Correct nobody did.

In fact just the opposite is the case.

SSD sizes and prices have remained SMALL and costs HIGH

all this time however DATA collections have skyrocketed on a personal level, much less business.

4 years ago there were claims SSD would kill HD off greatly by now, however just the opposite is the case.

HD makers are backing the truckloads of cash up to their doors, humerously, ..such that HD are in such high demand to meet necessitated huge data collections on even a small personal scale.

Single consumers are storing now in TB, what formerly medium sized businesses were storing just a few years ago. All of this has caused insane demands on conventional HD production.

In addition Hitachi has , to answer this created helium filled conventional HD to increase capacity, reduce heat and wear and shipping in the 6TB range.

That "joe blow" is now himself storing many TB of media data has caused conventional HD needs to skyrocket.

Now all HD makers are working overtime to create Goliath sized HD in the 6TB to 8TB ranges.

I still don't want to see a beach ball,...EVER...when accessing an audio file.

If I pick up my HDD and just rotate it while it's spinning, it grinds. It's a gyroscope really and wants to maintain it's current orientation.

proaudioguy wrote:

I still don't want to see a beach ball,...EVER...when accessing an audio file.

If I pick up my HDD and just rotate it while it's spinning, it grinds. It's a gyroscope really and wants to maintain it's current orientation.

Hence you purchased "1TB Evo 840 SSD" , as you stated.

nobody has a call in which, unless being moved a few inches out of the way, to be "rotating their HD" on the vertical axis.

The beach ball to which you refer is the HD which has idled down to save on wear and energy drain, as theyre designed to.

the 'beach ball' is only a short gap , after idle, for the HD to spin up. Nature of the beast.

proaudioguy wrote:

I still don't want to see a beach ball,...EVER.

lots and lots of $$$ spent on serious internal and external SSD modules can fix that 'issue' 😊

Doesn't happen on the Constellation HDD either. It really shouldn't happen on any drive when the drive is not spun down, but actually playing another song, yet it did on my rather dependable SATAII Seagates I brought over from my last THinkpad. I had 3 drives in that one. If I could have 3 1TB SSDs in my rMBP, I would. I don't need that much space, so I would just make 2 of them RAID 0 and the third a clone for backup. Yea, that would be the ticket. IN fact I only bought the r for the display, otherwise I would have prefered the regular MBP so I could replace the drive and the optical drive with huge SSDs. Looking back, I could have had the 17" with that upgrade and spent about the same money. I just felt the standard screen was lacking. It's not so muc the resolution but the fact that these are IPS screens.

You definitely don't want to be moving your HDD around. That's the point. It's NOT portable, not really. It was great with IBM came out with the drive protection that parked the heads when the computer was moved in a sudden way. Huge pita on the tablet, but kept the drive alive. Everyone eventually adopted it. Slows the laptop way down though. Unless you are sitting at a desk of course which defeats the purpose.

There are 10,000RPM+ drives out there, but they are server drives.

There are also soon to be near supersonic HD under development, however not consumer drives.

It really shouldn't happen on any drive when the drive is not spun down,

They're designed to spin down to reduce friction, spindle and bearing wear, and heat, ...otherwise the HD would prematurely croak.

You definitely don't want to be moving your HDD around.

Correct, however I was testing some of the piles of obsolete HD laying around.

Its completely portable, its just not designed to be running while inside a car driving 40MPH over a sea of speed bumps.

It was great with IBM came out with the drive protection that parked the heads

Many further developments in HD self-protection have been put in place since that so long ago.