How much energy does a "brick" power cord take?

Hi,


1. How much energy does the White Brick power cord consume when the computer is fully charged?

A. Does it vary based on processor action?

B. How bout when the computer is sleeping?

C. How bout when the computer is off?


2. How much energy does it consume when it's not attached to the computer?

A. I also want to know this for chargers for other Apple devices.


Thanks for any info on this. I haven't done any searching on this, so maybe it's an obvious question.

Mac OS X (10.7.5), 17", 2.4 GHz Intel, 8 GB RAM

Posted on Nov 8, 2013 3:59 PM

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Jan 11, 2014 4:16 PM in response to Misha Cohen

The MacBook Pro's power adapter is not, in the strictest sense, a transformer. It is a switching power supply, much more efficient and not to be confused with a power transformer.


The following may be along the lines of what you seek:


User uploaded file


Other MBP models are similar, less than 2W in sleep mode, less than an incandescent night light. Desktop Macs aren't much different in sleep mode. For specific answers you need to inquire about specific models.

Jan 11, 2014 4:17 PM in response to Misha Cohen

Since this is still here, it will NOT maintain a steady state current, it will maintain a steady state voltage. The current will vary according to the power demands of the system. Tis is very basic, first year electrical engineering...the potential remains constant but the current varies to meet the demand.


The laptops made by Apple have a charging circuit that switches on and off according to battery charge level. If the battery is at a charge level between 93-95% the circuit only supplies operating power. If the operating power level is beyond the power level of the charger, possible if the discreet GPUs is in use, then the power adapter and battery both supply the demand.


But at no time can the charger, power adapter, supply more than its rated power, whether 65 or 85 watts or whatever.


When sleeping the power demand is extremely low since most functions are shutdown. If the battery trickles down below the 93-95% charge level, the charging circuit will switch in the charger to top up the battery.

Jan 11, 2014 4:22 PM in response to Misha Cohen

"This is a big deal if I am planning on unplugging my laptop at night."

No, it's not a big deal. If you want to eleiminate all waste, unplug the power adapter.


"But, unfortunately (and outrageously), it does not give details (it is not outrageous as a status quo piece of marketing, but it's outrageous that the status quo is that little information! So, the problem is not Apple, per se, but the habits."

This article provides a lot of information, just not what you wanted. If you want to eliminate all waste, unplug the power adapter.


"that is an area for a marketing company to improve on!"

Apple is not specifically a "marketing company".


"I'd certainly be interested in information on Apple's other products (like iPod and iPhone chargers)."

Since you want to eliminate all waste, unplug the power adapter.


"That would be the figure I am curious about for various products."

If you are interested in the "no load power draw", it would be dependent upon the power adapter - not the products that are (not) attached. If you want to eliminate all waste, unplug the power adapter.


The exact cost power wasted is dependent upon the input AC voltage, and the exact characteristics of an individual power adapter. If you want to eliminate all waste, unplug the power adapter. It's really that simple.

Jan 11, 2014 4:34 PM in response to OGELTHORPE

Transformers still draw power if there is no load on them, albeit very low amounts. but transformers are always transforming when plugged in to the wall. It is very small amounts, but seeing as there are a vast amount of them in use on countless devices these days (this helps the manufacturer get around the regulations placed on internal power supplies, as well as saving them money in production, manufacturing, and the bureaucratic "crap".


Follow the money, bottom line is they still draw power even when not connected, and draw much more power when there is a load connected to them.

Transformers do just that, they transform, and they are always active, the difference is when there is a load connected or not.

With no load the draw is minuscule, then changes when there is a load connected to them. If you were to go thru your house and count the transformers/wall warts, that are not in use, the savings would be tiny, if all are connected, then there is more power being consumed. It depends on how they are used, and your use of them.

The "green folks" say to always unplug unused transformers, but in real life that may not be a convenient move. On the other hand, if you have PSU's plugged in that are never used, (or rarely) you may want to consider unplugging them. The savings are small, but if you have many that just hang there and are rarely used, unplug them and save $2-3 a month, maybe. It all depends on the draw and other factors.


http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/everyday-tech/plug-in-transformer.htm


Most all posts here are valid, it is your choice as to how much power you wish to consume. The Apple is a switching supply, that cycles on and off as needed when the battery "asks" for a charge. You can easily tell be feeling if the transformer is warm, if it is, than it is using power.

Jan 11, 2014 4:28 PM in response to John Galt

Ah that's awesome, John. Great chart and good correction as to the actual function of the white powerbook brick. Although, it is a little odd that it lists for 115 V rather than 120?


It is probably good to note that that report is for the 2013, MacBook Pro: "It has been designed to be energy efficient, consuming 25 percent less energy than the original 13-inch MacBook Pro with Retina display." Thus maybe other computers have slightly more energy use.



I am glad that Apple does give that detail! I assume it then gives detail on other product power adapters? I can do more looking.


I am glad, most of all, to learn that power adapters generally are not using the full wattage, and that Apple "switching power supplies" are using much less than 85 W (less than 2 W as you mention). It is still something to be aware of, of course: Those small uses of power are wasted electricity. They also add up. We seem to gravitate to the financial cost which is minimal. The important thing for me, more, is that this is a poor use of a resource.

Jan 11, 2014 4:38 PM in response to Misha Cohen

This is a big deal if I am planning on unplugging my laptop at night.


It's frankly absurd to be concerned about how much power a sleeping MBP uses overnight, once it is fully charged. At a utility rate of 15¢/KWh (a high estimate) it's about 1¢ per week. Flushing a toilet must cost more than that.


How much does it cost to keep my 13" macbook pro plugged in in sleep mode

Feb 1, 2014 4:36 PM in response to Misha Cohen

You know, I wonder if the best efficiency option for a macbook with the white brick power adapter, is to simply unplug the adapter from the computer at night. Admittedly this is only saving a few watts an hour, so it's not a large energy savings. Thanks for all the posts! I have not yet looked up the power usage for the other power adapters (iPod, for example).

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