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Q: What to do with Time Capsule when not using for Wireless Internet

I previously connected my Time Capsule to my fiber optic router but in my no home this is no longer needed as the cable TV company now provides 160 MPS Internet in a router that contains a wireless router built in. It works fine.  My computer is now connected wirelessly to that router (too far to take advantage of the wired connection).

 

Therefore I want my Time Capsule to just be connected to the computer for backups.  I gather I have to connect it via Lan and make sure it does not transmit r receuve wirelessly. In fact, other wireless computers in the huse occasionally try to log into the old Time Capsule PPoE settings, so I want to erase them and start fresh.

 

This seems to be similar to what I want t do, but I want to make sure and ask:

 

https://discussions.apple.com/message/8256674#8256674

 

If this is not correct, can someone advise.

 

 

By the way, I have a first generation Aiport Express that I hope to use with my new cable router (modem?).  I assume it will work as it did with the Time Capsule. Purpose is for Airplay with an audio system.

 

Thanks!

Posted on Nov 22, 2013 7:37 AM

by tokyoprogressive,Solvedanswer
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Thank you for your replies. I really appreciate it.

 

To answer your questions in order, but first I should mention that due to work reasons, I will be away from my computer until Friday night Japan time, or Friday AM US time.

 

Anyway, probably better I go slowly,as I tend to get overwhelmed by technical things.

 

1) You said:  "The TC does NOT require an Internet connection for network connectivity. You DO have to connect the TC by Ethernet to the Fiber Optic router in order for it to gain network connectivity AND to allow network clients to access it."

-->Ok, this is in reference to my Time Capsule and the previous network n myold apartment.  But your next question makes me wonder:

 

2) "Is this Motorola device the one that replaced the Fiber Optic router that you mentioned in your original post? What is its model number? Do you have the TC connected directly to it by Ethernet?"

 

Ok, this is what I have:

 

Wall--> Cable modem with wireless (Motorola SURFboard SBG6580J Wireless Cable Modem Gateway.)

 

Other Room  IMAC connected wirelessly to Cable Modem (no Ethenet connection to it since there is no jack and too far to run a cable (permanently--I can do for setup if needed)---> connected to TC and Time Capsule is backing up ok. Time Capsule is also not connected to the Modem

 

3) "Since you will only want to use the Time Capsule for Time Machine backups, I understood that you wanted to disable its wireless network. If this is still the case, the Express would need to be configured to join the wireless network provided by the Motorola wireless router."

 

Yes, This is what I am wondering. Do I have to connect it by LAN to the Motorola?  A few times, when it was just plugged into the Wall, my Mac airport utility found but them could not connect to my Express. maybe because I did not configure it to work with the Motorola as you say.

 

 

4)

"By default the Express will broadcast its own wireless network with a network name of something like: Apple Network NNNNNN. You would need to connect to this network with your computer prior to attempting to access it with the AirPort Utility. Another option would be to temporarily connect it, by Ethernet, to the Motorola router during its setup phase. Once completed you can move it to the desired location."

 

Ok, this confirms what I guessed.  Connecting the computer to the Expressby Lan?  Is that what you mean?

 

I do understand the second option---connecting the Express to the Motorola. 

 

If that is right, I can try that.  Do I need to do anything other than connect it?

 

I will be able to try this Friday or Saturday I hope.

 

Once again. thanks for all your help. Really appreciate your taking the time to explain it.

paul

Posted on Nov 25, 2013 3:09 AM

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Q: What to do with Time Capsule when not using for Wireless Internet

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  • by Tesserax,Helpful

    Tesserax Tesserax Nov 22, 2013 10:29 AM in response to tokyoprogressive
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    Nov 22, 2013 10:29 AM in response to tokyoprogressive

    This seems to be similar to what I want t do, but I want to make sure and ask:

     

    https://discussions.apple.com/message/8256674#8256674

     

    If this is not correct, can someone advise.

    Yes, this would be correct for your networking goals.

     

    By the way, I have a first generation Aiport Express that I hope to use with my new cable router (modem?).  I assume it will work as it did with the Time Capsule. Purpose is for Airplay with an audio system.

    Yes it will. Please check out the following Apple Support article. Option 3 is the one you want to go with.

  • by tokyoprogressive,

    tokyoprogressive tokyoprogressive Nov 22, 2013 6:40 PM in response to Tesserax
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    Nov 22, 2013 6:40 PM in response to Tesserax

    Thnk you re the two questions, but I am having doubts re the first one because it talks about turning wireless off.  In short, I need wireless.

     

    Let me explain:

     

    I have two settings in my Network Preferences on my main computer: Ethernet (from when I used to connect by Lan to router (and Wireless.

     

    1) computer previously connected to My old Wireless and My old wirelless guest network (not sure why I did two) via Time Capsule (PpoE)

     

    2) Computer now connected to My New Wireless (Motorola Cable wireless). Not connected by Ethernet, which is fine.

     

    3)  I plugged the Time Capsule  in via  Ethernet, getting ready to make the changes above. But Time Machine is actually backing up, presumably via Ethenet, which is turned on via my Network preferences. (By the way, has an IP address, says using DHCP). So at first thought, it seems I do not need to do anything. This is what I wanted.

     

    4) Problem: For wireless access my computer and all computers in the house keep looking for old My Wireless settings. I can ignore them and select  My New Wireless. But I am guessing I really need to erase the old My Old Wireless and My old wireless guest settings, but I do not see a delete function.  Not sure if I am on target or need to do something else.

     

    Thanks.

  • by Tesserax,

    Tesserax Tesserax Nov 23, 2013 2:24 PM in response to tokyoprogressive
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    Nov 23, 2013 2:24 PM in response to tokyoprogressive

    Thnk you re the two questions, but I am having doubts re the first one because it talks about turning wireless off.  In short, I need wireless.

    Although the Time Capsule would be connected to the Fiber Optic router by Ethernet you would still only need a single network connection (wireless) to access it from any wireless client. The fact that you have two (or more) available network connectors in System Preferences doesn't matter as you can only connect to one at a time. In this case it should be the wireless (Wi-Fi or AirPort depending on your OS X version) ... and that connector should be at the top of the list.

     

    4) Problem: For wireless access my computer and all computers in the house keep looking for old My Wireless settings. I can ignore them and select  My New Wireless. But I am guessing I really need to erase the old My Old Wireless and My old wireless guest settings, but I do not see a delete function.

    For your Macs I would suggest the following to remove these old networks:

     

    1. Delete Preferred Network(s)

    • System Preferences > Network > Wi-Fi > Advanced > Wi-Fi tab
    • Under "Preferred Networks," delete the network(s) you regularly use from the list.

     

    2. Delete AirPort or other network Keychain Entries

    • Launch the "Keychain Access" application located in Applications/Utilties.
    • In the windows on the left side: Select login for Keychains and "All Items" for Category.
    • Click on the "Kind" filter at the top, and look for any "AirPort network password" entries...and delete them.

     

    3. Add Preferred Network(s)

    • System Preferences > Network > Wi-Fi > Advanced > Wi-Fi tab
    • Add your new preferred network(s) using the "+" button.
    • Restart or log out then back in.

     

    • by tokyoprogressive,

      tokyoprogressive tokyoprogressive Nov 23, 2013 7:01 PM in response to Tesserax
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      Nov 23, 2013 7:01 PM in response to Tesserax

      Thank you again.  I essentially did this, before I read your reply. I did not do all the steps. Just deleted  the networks I don't use.  And deleted Airport keychain stuff. Actually, I noticed there is an AIRPORT DISK password and AIRPORT NETWORK password. Lots of them. For the suspect ones I deleted the AIRPORT NETWORK ones...leaving the disk ones in place. Not sure about that, though.

       

      Related Issue: Airport Express.

       

      I thought I understood the link you gave, but I encountered this issue:

       

      To use Airplay before I used both Ethernet and Wifi to connect to my Time Capsule.

      Now that doesn't work since the Time Capsule is not connected to the Internet, neither by Lan or Wifi.

       

      The computer  connection to the Internet is to the Motorola.(Via the Network settings)

       

       

      Looking in Airport Utility under [b]ethernet[/b] I see Internet (Green), followed by the Time Capsule device with two error messages, followed by the Airport Express, which is obviously not connected to the Internet.

       

       

      But I guess I don't need this since I don't connect the Time Capsule Device to the Internet.

       

       

      (My instinct was first  to click the Time Capsule and change it to the Motorola..but I was confronted by Base Station name, which is the old one, and the password/verify password. Internet settings are the old one. I don't see the obvious--how to change the Network to the Motorola. And then I realize, this is the Ethernet setting anyway, which I don't need.)

       

       

      Going to the Wireless I just see Internet.  And a message that it can't find any configured AIRPORT base stations.  Obvious since I am using the Motorola. It says there may be other devices in Other Wife menu, but none appear. And yet my network is configured for the Motorola.

       

       

      Totally confused, but hoping I am overlooking something simple.

    • by tokyoprogressive,

      tokyoprogressive tokyoprogressive Nov 23, 2013 8:33 PM in response to tokyoprogressive
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      Nov 23, 2013 8:33 PM in response to tokyoprogressive

      Oh, regarding the Airport Express (first version, looks like Power Adaptor), I noticed option 3 has a seeming contradition, or I am not reading it correctly  .http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4587

       

      Connecting to an existing Wi-Fi network, exclusively for iTunes music

      At the top of this option it talks about Client mode and a link takes you to a page which mentions an Ethernet connection: Connect an appropriate cable between the AirPort Express and the device it will serve.

       

      Yet the stuff "How to set it up" mentions no Ethenet connection between the Extreme and the computer: 

       

      Sounds contradictory.  What am I missing. In the past I did not connect the AExpress to any device. This is what I have:

       

      1) Airport Express connected to wall outlet.  Audio cord between it and speakers. No Ethernet connection to anythinng.

       

      2) Wireless network (Motorloa Cable) sending signal to my Macs.

       

      3) Airport Express does not show up in the Airport ultility, though I unplugged it once, then again after resetting AE.  For a brief moment I saw Airport Utility find the AE (previous setting?) and then declare an error. Usually it just cannot find  it.  Also, for a brief moment Itunes said to connect to Airplay and then the airplay sector just disappeared.

       

      Even more confused.

    • by Tesserax,

      Tesserax Tesserax Nov 24, 2013 11:44 AM in response to tokyoprogressive
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      Nov 24, 2013 11:44 AM in response to tokyoprogressive

      To use Airplay before I used both Ethernet and Wifi to connect to my Time Capsule.

      If you mean from a iTunes source device, i.e., a Mac, PC, or iOS, this would not be possible. Even though you can physically connect a Mac or PC to the TC by Ethernet, they can only connect to it either by Ethernet or by wireless, but NOT both simultaneously. iOS devices, of course only provide for wireless connections.

       

      Now that doesn't work since the Time Capsule is not connected to the Internet, neither by Lan or Wifi.

      The TC does NOT require an Internet connection for network connectivity. You DO have to connect the TC by Ethernet to the Fiber Optic router in order for it to gain network connectivity AND to allow network clients to access it.

       

      The computer  connection to the Internet is to the Motorola.(Via the Network settings)

      Is this Motorola device the one that replaced the Fiber Optic router that you mentioned in your original post? What is its model number? Do you have the TC connected directly to it by Ethernet?

       

      Looking in Airport Utility under [b]ethernet[/b] I see Internet (Green), followed by the Time Capsule device with two error messages, followed by the Airport Express, which is obviously not connected to the Internet.

      Since you will only want to use the Time Capsule for Time Machine backups, I understood that you wanted to disable its wireless network. If this is still the case, the Express would need to be configured to join the wireless network provided by the Motorola wireless router.

    • by Tesserax,Helpful

      Tesserax Tesserax Nov 24, 2013 11:48 AM in response to tokyoprogressive
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      Nov 24, 2013 11:48 AM in response to tokyoprogressive

      This is what I have:

       

      1) Airport Express connected to wall outlet.  Audio cord between it and speakers. No Ethernet connection to anythinng.

       

      2) Wireless network (Motorloa Cable) sending signal to my Macs.

      This would be correct. The Express would need to join the wireless network provided by the Motorola router.

       

      3) Airport Express does not show up in the Airport ultility, though I unplugged it once, then again after resetting AE.

      By default the Express will broadcast its own wireless network with a network name of something like: Apple Network NNNNNN. You would need to connect to this network with your computer prior to attempting to access it with the AirPort Utility. Another option would be to temporarily connect it, by Ethernet, to the Motorola router during its setup phase. Once completed you can move it to the desired location.

    • by tokyoprogressive,Solvedanswer

      tokyoprogressive tokyoprogressive Nov 25, 2013 3:09 AM in response to Tesserax
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      Nov 25, 2013 3:09 AM in response to Tesserax

      Thank you for your replies. I really appreciate it.

       

      To answer your questions in order, but first I should mention that due to work reasons, I will be away from my computer until Friday night Japan time, or Friday AM US time.

       

      Anyway, probably better I go slowly,as I tend to get overwhelmed by technical things.

       

      1) You said:  "The TC does NOT require an Internet connection for network connectivity. You DO have to connect the TC by Ethernet to the Fiber Optic router in order for it to gain network connectivity AND to allow network clients to access it."

      -->Ok, this is in reference to my Time Capsule and the previous network n myold apartment.  But your next question makes me wonder:

       

      2) "Is this Motorola device the one that replaced the Fiber Optic router that you mentioned in your original post? What is its model number? Do you have the TC connected directly to it by Ethernet?"

       

      Ok, this is what I have:

       

      Wall--> Cable modem with wireless (Motorola SURFboard SBG6580J Wireless Cable Modem Gateway.)

       

      Other Room  IMAC connected wirelessly to Cable Modem (no Ethenet connection to it since there is no jack and too far to run a cable (permanently--I can do for setup if needed)---> connected to TC and Time Capsule is backing up ok. Time Capsule is also not connected to the Modem

       

      3) "Since you will only want to use the Time Capsule for Time Machine backups, I understood that you wanted to disable its wireless network. If this is still the case, the Express would need to be configured to join the wireless network provided by the Motorola wireless router."

       

      Yes, This is what I am wondering. Do I have to connect it by LAN to the Motorola?  A few times, when it was just plugged into the Wall, my Mac airport utility found but them could not connect to my Express. maybe because I did not configure it to work with the Motorola as you say.

       

       

      4)

      "By default the Express will broadcast its own wireless network with a network name of something like: Apple Network NNNNNN. You would need to connect to this network with your computer prior to attempting to access it with the AirPort Utility. Another option would be to temporarily connect it, by Ethernet, to the Motorola router during its setup phase. Once completed you can move it to the desired location."

       

      Ok, this confirms what I guessed.  Connecting the computer to the Expressby Lan?  Is that what you mean?

       

      I do understand the second option---connecting the Express to the Motorola. 

       

      If that is right, I can try that.  Do I need to do anything other than connect it?

       

      I will be able to try this Friday or Saturday I hope.

       

      Once again. thanks for all your help. Really appreciate your taking the time to explain it.

      paul

    • by tokyoprogressive,

      tokyoprogressive tokyoprogressive Nov 30, 2013 3:22 AM in response to Tesserax
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      Nov 30, 2013 3:22 AM in response to Tesserax

      Well, your advice helped.  I improvised a bit as I was getting advice from several sources.  This is what I have:

       

      1) Motorola Cable Modem---wireless only right now. Clicking on it says CONNECTED.

       

      2) Managed to reset my Time Capsule to extend the Motorola..not necessary, but I like the fact the light is now green. Clicking on it shows Motorola Network and EXCELLENT connection.

       

      3) Reset my A Express by connecting it to my Time Capsule by ethernet.

       

      Then disconnected and reconnected wirelessly to Motorola.   A Express is now receiving music from my Mac over the Network. Clicking on it shows the same Motorola connection.

       

      A curious thing. In Airport Utility I have a diagram that looks roughly like this:

       

                  |Internet- - - - - -

                  |                        -

                  |                        -

                  |                        -Time Capsule

                  |

      Aiport Express

       

      Where the line to the Time Capsule is dotted and the line to the

      Airport Express is not.   Any particular meaning in that I wonder?

       

      By the way, Time Capsule is not connected by Ethernet to Mac, but backups are working.  (I managed to erase my oldest backup, but no big deal--have other copies on hard drives). Would backups be better if I hooked up an ethernet port to the Mac?)

       

      Thank you, Tesserax!

    • by tokyoprogressive,

      tokyoprogressive tokyoprogressive Nov 30, 2013 4:09 AM in response to tokyoprogressive
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      Nov 30, 2013 4:09 AM in response to tokyoprogressive

      oops. I meant to click YOUR post for having solved my problem, but I mistakenly clicked my own.

       

      Anyway, I found one problem. If I disconnect the Lan cable between the Motorola and the Airport Express, it no longer can find the AE.  The immediate solution is to leave the AE connected by Lan cable. Not sure why it is not working without it.

       

      Thanks!