14 Replies Latest reply: Nov 29, 2013 1:16 PM by Zimmer1956
Zimmer1956 Level 1 Level 1

I am currently using a 2011 AirPort Extreme and have been told that Time Machine backups should be on a dedicated drive. Is this still the case? If the drive was formatted into two 1TB drives, that may not be the best for TM backups, correct?

If I use the entire 2TB for TM backup and use external drives for CCC, that should be easy??

Thanks.


iMac (27-inch Mid 2010), OS X Mountain Lion, two-2TB OWC Mercury Elite Pro drive
Solved by LaPastenague on Nov 29, 2013 12:29 PM Solved

IMHO it adds nothing..

 

TC is for Time Machine backups. Otherwise you are doing just fine with the Extreme and Express. I see no advantage for backup over what you have already. So there is no overwhelming case for it.

  • Bob Timmons Level 10 Level 10
    have been told that Time Machine backups should be on a dedicated drive.

     

    They already are if you partitioned your 2 TB drive into two 1 TB partitions. You have, in effect 2 drives.

     

    Time Machine is on one 1 TB partition and you can use the other partition with CCC.

     

    Time Machine backups are not officially supported by Apple if you have the drive connected to the USB port on your AirPort Extreme though.

  • LaPastenague Level 9 Level 9

    I am currently using a 2011 AirPort Extreme

     

    Do you mean Time Capsule.. there is no hard disk in an extreme?

     

    If the drive was formatted into two 1TB drives, that may not be the best for TM backups, correct?

     

    Again if you are talking about Time Capsule you cannot partition the internal disk.

     

    If you want to mix data and backups see method here.

     

    Q3 http://pondini.org/TM/Time_Capsule.html

     

    If I use the entire 2TB for TM backup and use external drives for CCC, that should be easy??

     

    That sounds better but there are ways and means.. If we had a clearer idea of what you actually have it would be easier.

  • Zimmer1956 Level 1 Level 1

    Using AirPort Extreme without drives and have two OWC external drives - one for TM backups and one for CCC. Thinking of getting the Airport Time Capsule. Just wondering if I still need to keep one of my OWC external drives for CCC and other files? Any ideas, comment or suggestions?

    Thanks.

  • Zimmer1956 Level 1 Level 1

    External drives are on FW800.

  • Bob Timmons Level 10 Level 10

     

    Just wondering if I still need to keep one of my OWC external drives for CCC and other files?

     

    No one here who contributes to the forum would ever dream of keeping all of their backups on a single Time Capsule.

     

    It is always wise to keep a CCC clone at least, maybe more if you have a large library of images, media, etc.

  • LaPastenague Level 9 Level 9

    You cannot use FW800 on a TC.. it is usb2 only.

     

    The advantage of the FW800 is that it is fast.. much faster than backups to the TC. Even for TM the backups are faster and more reliable than to a network drive.

     

    The very big advantage for CCC is you can make the external drive a bootable image. That is not possible with network drive. Using a bootable image is the very fastest and best way to get a computer going that has a dead hard disk. Nothing even comes close.

  • Zimmer1956 Level 1 Level 1

    The external drives are FW directly to my IMac. They are not used as a Network drive, just TM and CCC.

    If I get the new Airport Time Capsule, the entire 2TB has to be used for TM, is this correct?

     

    In addition, I have been told to keep two physically separate external drives for obvious reasons. If I bought the AE Time Capsule, I will use it for TM and a separate drive for CCC.

    Thanks.

  • LaPastenague Level 9 Level 9

    If I get the new Airport Time Capsule, the entire 2TB has to be used for TM, is this correct?

     

    There is no way to partition the 2TB drive (without voiding warranty).. so using it for both TM and data can be tricky.

     

    You also have no internal backup on the TC.. you cannot use TM for network drive backup.. but with CCC that is not a problem.. CCC can handle network drives. 

     

    Pondini has suggested how to get around the problem by fixing the size  of the sparsebundle. You need to understand that TM backs up differently on network cf local drives.. it uses a virtual disk called sparsebundle. by manipulating the sparsebundle size you can prevent it growing to fill the TC disk.

     

    See Q3 http://pondini.org/TM/Time_Capsule.html

     

    He has other suggestions there.

  • Zimmer1956 Level 1 Level 1

    As I mentioned, my current external drives use TM on one and the second is CCC. They are NOT network drives and plugged in to my Mac by FW800.

    I have a LaCie cloud for pictures and music through my PS3.

    Do you have to use the new Airport TC as a network device or is there an option to turn off the network?

    If it can't be turned off, I won't make any changes right now.

    Thanks

  • Zimmer1956 Level 1 Level 1

    And I have no interest in partitioning the hard drive and don't need a network drive.

  • LaPastenague Level 9 Level 9

    Zimmer1956 wrote:

     

    As I mentioned, my current external drives use TM on one and the second is CCC. They are NOT network drives and plugged in to my Mac by FW800.

    I have a LaCie cloud for pictures and music through my PS3.

    Do you have to use the new Airport TC as a network device or is there an option to turn off the network?

    If it can't be turned off, I won't make any changes right now.

    Thanks

    The TIme Capsule is purely a network drive.. it cannot be connected locally. There is no option to use the disk in any other way. The TC is also a router, you do not have to use the router part. It can be bridged but it must live in the network.. there is no other way to use it.

     

    I do follow that the FW800 drives are not networked.. they cannot be networked unless you shared them from the computer....

     

    But we seem to be missing your question somehow..And I am sorry about that.

     

    TC is designed by apple for Time Machine backups.. almost exclusively.. and actually for laptops.. which are going to use wireless since it is hard to plug devices into them. For a desktop computer a TC is really not the preferred device, unless you need a secondary backup located away from your computer.

     

    Perhaps tell us more why you want the TC.. and then we can explain better.

     

    But as a location for TM backups.. a local drive plugged into your desktop is far superior. Superior speed and reliability. Superior cost effectiveness.

  • Zimmer1956 Level 1 Level 1

    I have an Apple network set up with my AirPort Extreme but it is just a local network.

    My LaCie cloud is connected to the AE via Ethernet for music and pics on my PS3.

    I have an Airport Express with my entertainment system for my Yamaha Adventage receiver and have used that to extend the AirPort Extreme network.

     

    If this new ATC going to cause more problems than help, I won't do it.

     

    Any ideas or comments?

  • LaPastenague Level 9 Level 9

    IMHO it adds nothing..

     

    TC is for Time Machine backups. Otherwise you are doing just fine with the Extreme and Express. I see no advantage for backup over what you have already. So there is no overwhelming case for it.

  • Zimmer1956 Level 1 Level 1

    Thanks to everyone! This helps me and answers my questions"