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Q: Why does Logic 10 sound different to Logic 9 ? Logic 9 seems to be better....!?

hello

 

Im not sure if anyone else has noticed this but i feel that Logic 10 does not sound as good as Logic 9.

 

I got some new tracks back which we made in Logic 10 and they sound flat and very "HiFi".

 

Has anyone else noticed this ?

Logic Pro, Mac OS X (10.6.8)

Posted on Dec 10, 2013 12:08 AM

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Q: Why does Logic 10 sound different to Logic 9 ? Logic 9 seems to be better....!?

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  • by Eriksimon,

    Eriksimon Eriksimon Apr 22, 2014 1:04 AM in response to WinnKrozack
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    Apr 22, 2014 1:04 AM in response to WinnKrozack

    I am just a nobody from the Netherlands, but I am unimpressed by and sceptical of your superachiever-claims. With your cv, you should have a wide network of professionals that can back you up. And you should know better.

  • by CoinOP1,

    CoinOP1 CoinOP1 Apr 22, 2014 2:34 AM in response to Eriksimon
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    Apr 22, 2014 2:34 AM in response to Eriksimon

    I could have guessed you're Dutch.....

     

    I have no credentials to brag about, nor do I have anything to put more weight to my statement to impress you. But believe me it sounds different: I went from LP9 to LPX on Maverick, opened with the same project I was working for a while on, totally oblivious like I never even have downloaded LPX and noticed something was off.....

     

    Please don't tell me that a darker color scheme of a DAW upgrade influenced my ears.... Please!

  • by Eriksimon,

    Eriksimon Eriksimon Apr 22, 2014 3:16 AM in response to CoinOP1
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    Apr 22, 2014 3:16 AM in response to CoinOP1

    CoinOP1 wrote:

     

    I could have guessed you're Dutch.....

    But you didn't.

    I should now guess you're an American, but you can't be, since your language and spelling are actually good. You're also not Italian, because you would have bragged everbody out of the waters by now.

     

    I will not tell you why you heard a difference, because I can't.

     

    Your say "something was off." That's almost the exact opposite to the other guys' hypergigadetailed winetasting-like description that strongly reminded me of the audiophile-speak I recently encountered on a site about hifi headphones.

     

    There are just too many possible other factors (e.g. altered plugin parameters, random or unsynced LFO's and (synth) oscillators, preference settings, project settings, plugin redesigns, as there have been in LP X) that could account for the differences you and anybody else hears.

     

    In the end, it is of no importance to me if you or anyone else hears differences. I'm regarding it as routinely training my replyceps.

  • by shabfish,

    shabfish shabfish Apr 22, 2014 4:13 AM in response to CoinOP1
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    Apr 22, 2014 4:13 AM in response to CoinOP1

    I'm argee with you

  • by shabfish,

    shabfish shabfish Apr 22, 2014 4:13 AM in response to Eriksimon
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    Apr 22, 2014 4:13 AM in response to Eriksimon

    I think your talking **** !

  • by shabfish,

    shabfish shabfish Apr 22, 2014 4:14 AM in response to WinnKrozack
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    Apr 22, 2014 4:14 AM in response to WinnKrozack

    i argee 

  • by Eriksimon,

    Eriksimon Eriksimon Apr 22, 2014 4:34 AM in response to shabfish
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    Apr 22, 2014 4:34 AM in response to shabfish

    You think my talking four stars... wow... thanks!

  • by Eriksimon,

    Eriksimon Eriksimon Apr 22, 2014 4:34 AM in response to shabfish
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    Apr 22, 2014 4:34 AM in response to shabfish

    You are Argee? I always wondered who Argee was... turns out it's Shabfish!

  • by CoinOP1,

    CoinOP1 CoinOP1 Apr 22, 2014 5:04 AM in response to Eriksimon
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    Apr 22, 2014 5:04 AM in response to Eriksimon

    I'm Dutch.....and here is the kicker I'm also black!

     

    I didn't do a null test because the project consist only of stock plugins. In that case I agree with the other possible factors you mentioned. Anything else, lets's Argee to disArgee:).

  • by Eriksimon,

    Eriksimon Eriksimon Apr 22, 2014 5:21 AM in response to CoinOP1
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    Apr 22, 2014 5:21 AM in response to CoinOP1

    Don't get me wrong: I genuinly believe that you (and the other posters) do not make it up when you say you hear a difference. You do, and there could well be a difference. But the fact is that we simply cannot trust our own ears. Here's an example (the famous "McGurk effect"):

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-lN8vWm3m0

     

    That's why I keep insisting on a null test; it is THE established method to substantiate/investigate such claims.

  • by Pancenter,

    Pancenter Pancenter Apr 22, 2014 10:30 AM in response to CoinOP1
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    Apr 22, 2014 10:30 AM in response to CoinOP1

    CoinOP1 wrote:

     

    I didn't do a null test because the project consist only of stock plugins.

     

    ??

     

    There can be a difference if some or all of the internal plugins have been re-written. Also, remember that preferences are not transferred from project to project, only settings are. If any fair comparison is to be made all preferences have to be set _exactly_ the same in both versions.

     

    Instead of a null test I've used SoundForge on a PC to analyze two test files and remove the differences to a third file, then if you normalize this file to say -6db you can see what, if anything shows up, something always does. Even in normal playback, depending on the computer load, phasing differences occur.

     

    <Edit>  Usually these differences are not enough to affect the audible sound.

  • by WinnKrozack,

    WinnKrozack WinnKrozack Apr 22, 2014 10:33 AM in response to shabfish
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    Apr 22, 2014 10:33 AM in response to shabfish

    OK, so very interesting, I can run both 9 and 10 software simultaneously on my computer. That is pretty cool.

     

    While the mixes sound very different from the same song, (5 people listening with me), my next task is to play the same sample, without any plug ins, simultaneously, out of phase. 

     

    I'll let you know what I hear.

  • by The Art Of Sound,

    The Art Of Sound The Art Of Sound Apr 22, 2014 10:48 AM in response to WinnKrozack
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    Apr 22, 2014 10:48 AM in response to WinnKrozack

    My bet it will be the EQ (or another plugin) that makes it sound different between the two versions...

  • by WinnKrozack,

    WinnKrozack WinnKrozack Apr 22, 2014 10:53 AM in response to The Art Of Sound
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    Apr 22, 2014 10:53 AM in response to The Art Of Sound

    I agree. Granted, we are also 64 bit vs 32 bit as well.  The sound differences per sample do not seem as great individually with no plug ins, but still experimenting.

     

    Sorry for my ignorance, but I can't find a reverse phase control on the channel. Please head me in the righ direction.

  • by Pancenter,

    Pancenter Pancenter Apr 22, 2014 11:52 AM in response to WinnKrozack
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    Apr 22, 2014 11:52 AM in response to WinnKrozack

    As I mentioned earlier in this thread... make sure Pan-Law is set the same in both version. I have stuck with L9 and don't know if the defaults Pan-Law was changed in X.

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