Undo doesn't move back automation

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Undo doesn't move back automation

Hi there,

I recently upgraded from Logic Pro 8 to Logic Pro X, and I am having trouble with the program's Undo function.

When I move my audio files around in the Arrange window, I often click yes to moving the automation with it. If I'm not happy with the move, and want the audio file and its automation to move back into the original position, I hit command-z (Undo). The audio files move back into position fine, but 70% of the time, the automation doesn't follow, and remains in the new position.

In Logic 8, I had no problem with this.

Does anyone know how to fix it? It is quite frustrating, especially when I've made time-consuming volume automation to line up with particular events in the audio file.

Thanks,

Melanie

Logic Pro X, OS X Mavericks (10.9)

Posted on Dec 10, 2013 4:32 AM

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Answer 1

melherb Author

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Dec 12, 2013 6:05 PM in response to melherb

I've made two more discoveries. The error only happens when the "Drag" mode is set to "X-Fade", and only if there are cross-fades between the regions.

The Undo function moves back the automation with the regions when the "Drag" mode is set to "Overlap".

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kcstudio

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Dec 11, 2013 7:47 AM in response to melherb

Well, I'm sorry but it does work over here on three different machines and I also can't recall post on the forum about your issue except for situations where preferences as mentioned in my first mail where not met.

The test:

....I move the region......

....I then confirm.....

.....as expected....

.....and after hitting ctrl z I'm back to where the region was prior to the region move.

I remember your issue from Logic 9, there it was something the Undo History initiated somehow as it grew in size. After emptying the buffer, usually all was back to normal again.

Cheers!

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melherb Author

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Dec 12, 2013 4:49 AM in response to kcstudio

Just because it is working in your session, does not mean it is working in mine. It's almost as though you're telling me that I'm imagining the error.

The test

....I move the region......

....I then confirm.....

.....as expected....

.....and after hitting ctrl z, the region moves back but the automation remains in the new position.

I have already cleaned out the Undo History. Additionally, the same thing happens if I set the Automation preference to "Always" move with the region.

kcstudio, please don't bother writing back unless you actually have some suggestions as to how I might be able to resolve the issue. I don't need you to just point out that you're not having the same problem. It is not helpful.

CHEERS!

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kcstudio

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Dec 10, 2013 10:40 PM in response to melherb

As a matter of fact I'd just worked on a project wherein automation arrangements had to be moved back and forth extensively. Apart from some minor anomalies position wise, which maybe I had caused anyway, I can not confirm your findings. Everything works as described here:

Have a nice day!

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melherb Author

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Dec 12, 2013 5:18 AM in response to melherb

So I've just been fiddling around, trying to figure out why sometimes it does work, and other times it doesn't.

It turns out that the error only happens when I move multiple regions at once. They move together at first, but do not move back with Undo.

Anyone know how to fix this? I didn't have the same problem with Logic 8 - it always worked fine when Undo-ing a multiple region move. I know I can merge the regions to become their own audio file, but I am still in the process of editing and so would prefer to keep them separate (so I can work on cross fades, and see where the changes are).

Hope someone has a solution for me!

Mel

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Answer 6

Dec 12, 2013 7:34 AM in response to melherb

I don't need you to just point out that you're not having the same problem. It is not helpful.

Actually, KC's comment was helpful because it tells you, it is something speceific to what you are doing... rather than a general issue that affects everyone in every case... and as you found out later... it helped you realise it is only when you move multiple regions..

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melherb Author

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Dec 12, 2013 4:30 PM in response to The Art Of Sound

His tone wasn't helpful, it was condescending.

Additionally, I worked out the multiple-region thing on my own. I already noted that it was happening 70% of the time, which led me to testing in a new session when it did and when it didn't.

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Answer 8

Dec 12, 2013 6:01 PM in response to melherb

melherb wrote:

His tone wasn't helpful, it was condescending.

Sorry, but I think you are being a little over sensitive.... I certainly didn't read anything in KC's responses that i would deem as condescending.... Just straight forward and to the point!

But, each to their own 🙂

Cheers..

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melherb Author

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Dec 12, 2013 6:44 PM in response to The Art Of Sound

Great, thanks!

Yeah I'm not using Logic Pro as an audio engineer, so I'm not sure how useful the X-Fade Drag mode is for people doing mastering and recording work. I'm a sound artist/composer - I create soundscapes from field recordings. The X-Fade Drag mode is one of my favourite things about Logic!

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Answer 10

Dec 12, 2013 6:31 PM in response to melherb

Ah.. That might explain why I cannot recreate it here.. I rarely use Cross fades...

Will play with it over the weekend and see if i can now recreate it. Thanks for the extra info...

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Answer 11

Dec 12, 2013 7:02 PM in response to melherb

Ah... where as I use Vol Automation and separate tracks to do much the same thing

(I'm just lazy!)

🙂

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melherb Author

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Dec 11, 2013 12:19 AM in response to kcstudio

I've tested it a few more times times and am still finding the same problem.

It's not whether the automation moves WITH the region at the time of moving - I know how to hit "Allow", and it works. The problem is that the automation doesn't follow the region and return to its original position when I hit "Undo". The automation remains in its new position and the audio region returns to its original position.

I don't necessarily want to attach/lock the automation to the region either, as I am in the process of editing.

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melherb Author

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Dec 12, 2013 7:59 PM in response to The Art Of Sound

I'm pretty sure my version is the laziest! Just dragging a region/section of audio over another creates the volume automation fades for me. Saves so much time! You can fine-tune fades later on in the editing process, too.

Anyway, I hope I can find a way to make it work with the X-Fade function. For now I've set simple one-key commands for changing between the "Overlap" and "X-Fade" Drag modes. I'd prefer to not have to do it this way, though.

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