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Q: Information on 2013 iMac FD issue / USB2-3 Issue and Driver Incompatibility issue

I've created this new thread to outline the THREE different issues currently being discussed in various threads here and elsewhere in the hope of clarifying a few things and cleaning the 'mess' up a little!

 

There are currently THREE specific and different issues that a Mac owner might have in relation to Audio problems.

 

Some Users may well have all three problems at the same time or a combination of any/all of them.

 

Issue #1 - If you own a 2013 iMac with a Fusion Drive fitted then you wil get audio dropouts, clicks and other audio issues.

 

To test, unplug all 3rd party interfaces and test with internal Audio only.  Most people report audio dropout and noise via internal Audio.

 

Status - Wating on a software fix from Apple.

 

Possible temporary workaround options -

 

1) Boot from an External HD, (Very effective with a high reported success rate) and wait until fix is issued by Apple.

2) Split the FD into separate SSD and Mech Drives... (Fairly effective... but not as good as the ext drive menthod it seems)  and wait for fix from Apple.

3) Contact Apple and ask for a non FD replacement iMac (when/if possible)

4) Wait for the Apple Fix

 

Issue #2 = If you use a USB2 device/interface/whatever and it is connected to a USB3 port then that device might have problems.

 

Note: This issue does not affect Firewire devices for obvious reasons...

 

Possible Workarounds - Note: Users have reported varying levels of success with these fixes depending on the USB2 device in question. and what else is connected to your Mac.

 

1) Use a USB2 powered hub. Connect device to powered hub and connect powered hub to USB3 port

 

2) Use a Thunderbolt hub. Conect device to TBolt hub and hub to TBolt port on Mac.

 

Status - Waiting on fixes from the makers of these USB2 devices to correct the problem where possible.

 

Issue #3 - Incompatible drivers/hardware with either 10.9 and/or 10.8. Affects mainly audio interfaces that use drivers to communicate with your Mac... but can also affect USB2 Midi interfaces and Audio interfaces those that are supposed to be 'class compliant' and therefore do not use drivers... Class compliant devices have been fixed in the past by firmware updates whenever possible, by the makers of the device. In some cases however, makers of certain USB2 devices have not been able to correct the issue and have released new versions of their hardware to reolve issue (which of course were not provided as free replacements for users with these probmatic devices!)

 

Workaround

 

Roll back to previous working OS X version whenever possible and wait for updated drivers from Maker of your device.

 

Status - Awaiting updated drivers from the Makers of the USB2 device.

 

As can be seen from the above list, it is possible that certain users who have a 2013 imac with an FD fitted and own a USB2 interface could be subject to all three issues... and you should be keenly aware of this fact. When Apple release a fix for Issue #1 you may still have problems relating to either/both Issue #2 and #3... depending on the USB2 device you own....

 

Important Note:

 

Please feel free to ask questions regarding these three issues and their descriptions but try not to clutter up the thread with other problems or posts regarding comments such as  "Why isn't Apple/Maker of device fixing this?"  or "I'll switch to "Name of other DAW" if this isnt fixed soon..."  as frankly no one here cares about such things as none of us work for Apple

 

Thanks!

Logic Pro X, OS X Mavericks (10.9), Motu UltraLite V3

Posted on Dec 12, 2013 2:59 PM

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  • by cabin neighbors,

    cabin neighbors cabin neighbors Jan 29, 2014 4:53 PM in response to mapufre
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    Jan 29, 2014 4:53 PM in response to mapufre

    So last night I spent a few hours spliting the fusion drive into ssd and hdd, installed mavericks 10.9.1 still had the same exact problem. I used the ssd as the boot drive. So now I'm going to try downgrading to 10.8.4, which is the minimum requirement for logic x. It makes sence that it would be less buggy. I'll let you all know what I find.

     

    -Jonathan

  • by cestma55,

    cestma55 cestma55 Feb 3, 2014 3:26 AM in response to The Art Of Sound
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    Feb 3, 2014 3:26 AM in response to The Art Of Sound

    Hi, I have the same problem with IMAC FD. It 'sure Mavericks 10.9.2 will solve the problem?

    Thanks

  • by MisterWaylo,

    MisterWaylo MisterWaylo Feb 4, 2014 12:54 PM in response to cestma55
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    Feb 4, 2014 12:54 PM in response to cestma55

    Just to pile on to the thread; no solution here.

     

    Purchased iMac 2.4ghz i5/ 16GB RAM/ 3 TB Fusion Drive in December 2013

     

    Audio turns to full on distortion after 5-10 minutes of use with RME UCX USB interface.  Audio is stable using iMac internal speakers.

     

    Audio seemed to work ok when I boot from an external drive.

     

    Running 10.9.1.

     

    Returned the machine to apple today as nobody could give me a legit answer on a solution (not apple support, not retail store, nada).

  • by The Art Of Sound,

    The Art Of Sound The Art Of Sound Feb 4, 2014 1:23 PM in response to cestma55
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    Feb 4, 2014 1:23 PM in response to cestma55

    cestma55 wrote:

     

    Hi, I have the same problem with IMAC FD. It 'sure Mavericks 10.9.2 will solve the problem?

    Thanks

     

    No one will be absolutely sure until after the 'final' version  of 10.9.2 is released to the general public and tested.....

     

    Until then, nothing is certain one way or the other....

  • by cabin neighbors,

    cabin neighbors cabin neighbors Feb 4, 2014 5:33 PM in response to The Art Of Sound
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    Feb 4, 2014 5:33 PM in response to The Art Of Sound

    So you can't downgrade to an os that is earlyer then the version that came on your machine (so Mountain lion didn't work). I installed 10.9.1 on an external drive, that fixed it. I also talked to focusrite (the makers of my interface) they said that apple is working on a fix for fusion drives that will be included in 10.9.2. Though this isn't deffinet, as we can see apple has screwed up before.

  • by Alexandrion7979,

    Alexandrion7979 Alexandrion7979 Feb 6, 2014 6:40 AM in response to buckleyscave
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    Feb 6, 2014 6:40 AM in response to buckleyscave

    Is to late I bot and i have same yours problems hope they will change me

  • by Pablo Logic,

    Pablo Logic Pablo Logic Feb 8, 2014 5:41 PM in response to The Art Of Sound
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    Feb 8, 2014 5:41 PM in response to The Art Of Sound

    Thanks for this info.   I thought the problem was to do with my Native Instruments Komplete Audio 6 USB audio interface and have sent them an angry email.  I didn't realise that it was to do with my new 2013 FD iMac.

     

    I cannot work at the moment and cannot wait for the software fix.   If I buy a thunderbolt audio interface like the Apollo16 will this defintely work?

     

    What really confuses me though is why the soundcard in my Access Virus synth works without pops/distortion? This is what I am using at the moment and it is fine (although it has no inputs so it it is a limited work-around).  It is 6 years old so it defintely isn't USB 3.

     

    Thanks

     

    Paul

  • by ges8ges,

    ges8ges ges8ges Feb 8, 2014 8:16 PM in response to Pablo Logic
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    Feb 8, 2014 8:16 PM in response to Pablo Logic

    My old UA-25 EX works pretty well with just an occasional glitch and I'm sure it is USB 2.  I have the Fusion Drive so I would think any interface would be a problem even this one.  A Motu and a Focusrite both had terrible noise.

     

    Waiting for an OS update to fix the mess.

    Pablo Logic wrote:

     

    Thanks for this info.   I thought the problem was to do with my Native Instruments Komplete Audio 6 USB audio interface and have sent them an angry email.  I didn't realise that it was to do with my new 2013 FD iMac.

     

    I cannot work at the moment and cannot wait for the software fix.   If I buy a thunderbolt audio interface like the Apollo16 will this defintely work?

     

    What really confuses me though is why the soundcard in my Access Virus synth works without pops/distortion? This is what I am using at the moment and it is fine (although it has no inputs so it it is a limited work-around).  It is 6 years old so it defintely isn't USB 3.

     

    Thanks

     

    Paul

  • by Pablo Logic,

    Pablo Logic Pablo Logic Feb 9, 2014 2:25 AM in response to ges8ges
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    Feb 9, 2014 2:25 AM in response to ges8ges

    Yes, ges8ges, I should have mentioned that I get the odd pop with the Virus as a soundcard but nothing like the constant distortion I get with KA6.  I have Traktor S4 kontroller and I will try using that as a soundcard later today and report on that.  I cannot be certain but I guess that its soundcard and the one in KA6 are the same given they are both made by NI so it would be interesting to see (hear!) if the same problems pertain.

     

    This situation reminds me of when I bought a mid-2012 MBP and the Traktor S4 kontroller at the same time only to find out the the S4 coouldn't handle the USB2 port in the MBP and the soundcard distorted.  It took NI months to sort a fix but not as long this though.

     

    Can someone reassure me that after spending nearly £3000 on a souped-up iMac that this problem is fixable through an update, and that I will not be stuck with a duff computer?  I have 1 day left before I can return it the store.

     

    late 2013 iMAc 1TB FD 32GB RAM 3.5GHz i7 processor and KA6 soundcard

  • by Vadalino,

    Vadalino Vadalino Feb 19, 2014 3:45 AM in response to The Art Of Sound
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    Feb 19, 2014 3:45 AM in response to The Art Of Sound

    I'm encountering issues with my Apogee One.

     

    Tried to record my voice on Garageband the result was an audio region with the lowest audio quality ever recorded - buzzy, glitchy and with the highest latency ever matched.

     

    I encountered issues using Skype too - I use the Apogee internal mic to chat.

    It works at first but then, on the other side, they can't hear me anymore so I'm forced to switch to the internal iMac mic.

     

    On the whole it seems the input has issues as the output works fine - I plug my earphone to the Apogee and hear well everything.

     

    Sometimes happens that the entire audio (input and output) freezes after using Apogee internal mic - at that point I restart the mac.

     

    Today I got an eMail from an Apogee Tech Support Specialist:

     

    “Hello,

     

     

    Unfortunately, Fusion Drives have been giving audio devices from all manufacturers issues.

    Good news is that the Apple 10.9.2 update is supposed to resolve these issues.

    We apologize for the inconvenience.”

     

    Let's see what happen...

  • by JN Maron,

    JN Maron JN Maron Feb 19, 2014 10:21 AM in response to Pablo Logic
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    Feb 19, 2014 10:21 AM in response to Pablo Logic

    Strange enough to say, I'v had a late 2012  10.8  Imac with Fusion that has been running perfectly without any glitch for about a year & kept working properly even after the first Mavericks upgrade  (I'm mainly using Logic9 with Focusrtie 8i6  USB2, much clasical strings recording).

    But later (last week) the whole system crashed when I connected it to the new iMac,  late 2013 edition  FD 16GB and 10.9.1. I guess we should all pray for a quick venue of the Messiah, 10.9.2 

  • by onthefly.gb,

    onthefly.gb onthefly.gb Feb 20, 2014 3:54 AM in response to The Art Of Sound
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    Feb 20, 2014 3:54 AM in response to The Art Of Sound

    Hi,

    Started reading about audio issues only after ordering a new iMac (doh!), so last night I tested things out to determine if it needs to be sent back or not. After reading all your troubles I am glad I opted for the SDD option.

     

    • NVIDIAGeForceGTX780M 4GB GDDR5
    • 3.5GHz Quad-core Intel Core i7
    • 8GB 1600MHz DDR3 SDRAM-2X4GB
    • 256GB Flash Storage
    • OSX 10.9.1
    • Motu 828 mkII USB2 audio interface
    • Cubase 5.5.3 Full version
    • Cubase 7 Elements trial

     

    I've tried playback of existing audio projects, and creating new projects recording new audio an I cannot find any issues as yet, all seems to be behaving. Even better than I thought as Cubase 5.5.3 is quite old but seems to work, which hopefully saves updating for a while yet.

     

    The ONLY issue I found after a few hours was when plugging in one of my SATA external drives which lives inside a USB2 icybox enclosure. What I noticed right away was the sound coming though my Motu out my speakers, hard drive spin noise. Identical to what I used to get when plugging external hdd's into my PC laptop whilst the laptop was powered by PSU to the mains. As soon as I used to remove the PSU from the laptop the noise dissapeared. Obviously there's no way of trying that out with an iMac.

     

    So no I'm not using the FD, but I am using USB2 for audio with USB2 hdd's.

    Are there any other specific tests I should be trying?

  • by YossiNirvana,

    YossiNirvana YossiNirvana Feb 26, 2014 4:48 AM in response to The Art Of Sound
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    Feb 26, 2014 4:48 AM in response to The Art Of Sound

    OS X 10.9.2 is out!

     

    from http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1725: "

    • Fixes an issue that may cause audio distortion on certain Macs"

     

    Dear community members, please provide feedback if you have installed this updated, what was your issue,

    and did it was solved by the update.

     

    As for me, I ended up spliting my FD, so I will have to refusion it.

     

    Thanks to everyone for the great info sharing.

     

     

    Yo-C

     

     

    Together we stand divided we fall

  • by Mark Wong,

    Mark Wong Mark Wong Feb 26, 2014 6:12 AM in response to YossiNirvana
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    Feb 26, 2014 6:12 AM in response to YossiNirvana

    Installed 10.9.2 last night.

     

    My original issue was audio dropping out.  Gear that I am using: MOTU 828 (original, FW and USB), iMac (late 2013), Fusion Drive.

     

    Didn't get a chance to do extensive testing, but the little that I managed....looks like the update fixed the issue!!  WOO HOO!  So happy, SO relieved.  Will report back if I encounter any issues.

     

    Good luck to everyone else!!

     

    Mark

  • by yitzakzeinfeld,

    yitzakzeinfeld yitzakzeinfeld Feb 26, 2014 9:07 AM in response to Mark Wong
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    Feb 26, 2014 9:07 AM in response to Mark Wong

    I installed 10.9.2 yesterday and now all my troubles seem so far away...

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